FedEx to United
09-24-2018 | 08:57 AM
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From: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
For the sake of truthful discussion (which is why we’re all here):
A. In a world of 7 billion people, there are people who are immune to fatigue at 25 hours. Like a lithium battery vs nicad, at some point every human will run out of juice, but the performance diminishment isn’t linear for everyone and the time to exhaustion is also different.
B. He is probably more diminished than he realizes, but (if real) maybe at 25 hrs he is like most of us at 16 hrs. We don’t know.
C. His type of schedule wouldn’t not be healthy for 99% of us.
D. I personally am happy only flying a couple red-eyes a month. I fall somewhere right under the fat part of the bell curve as far as fatigue performance degradation goes
A. In a world of 7 billion people, there are people who are immune to fatigue at 25 hours. Like a lithium battery vs nicad, at some point every human will run out of juice, but the performance diminishment isn’t linear for everyone and the time to exhaustion is also different.
B. He is probably more diminished than he realizes, but (if real) maybe at 25 hrs he is like most of us at 16 hrs. We don’t know.
C. His type of schedule wouldn’t not be healthy for 99% of us.
D. I personally am happy only flying a couple red-eyes a month. I fall somewhere right under the fat part of the bell curve as far as fatigue performance degradation goes
As I mentioned there is not much difference between being chronically fatigued and just be used being chronically fatigued. You might think you are getting away with it but your body is keeping score. Also as I mentioned if the guy is an outlier (weird) was the term I used. Then he's an outlier. It does not change my experience with night freight. Skrew that stuff, it's not for me.
09-24-2018 | 09:08 AM
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As I mentioned there is not much difference between being chronically fatigued and just be used being chronically fatigued. You might think you are getting away with it but your body is keeping score. Also as I mentioned if the guy is an outlier (weird) was the term I used. Then he's an outlier. It does not change my experience with night freight. Skrew that stuff, it's not for me.
09-24-2018 | 10:56 AM
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From: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
I don't know what's worse 20:00 brief or 04:00 brief. On the 20:00 slot I'm getting home at 03:30 to 04:00. On A 04:00 brief I'm getting up at 02:00. The thing is one or two of those don't bother me. When I have four or five of them in a row. They start to wear you out.
On the line we generally don't do four or five all nighters sequentially in a row. This one of the things that sucks at TK.
09-24-2018 | 11:49 AM
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The Colgan "accident" had a lot more to do with incompetence than it did fatigue. If well rested, the accident would have likely just occurred at some other place on some other day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khFbqsVgr6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khFbqsVgr6I
07-30-2021 | 10:11 AM
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FedEx or United?
Reviving this for some advice.
I have a CJO at both. I'm 30, so my seniority will be great at either in the long run. I currently live in a UA domicile, and I'd probably never leave this domicile. I wouldn't move to MEM, but if i find the right partner one day, i'd definitely consider CGN and HKG.
No idea how taxing 35 years of night flying at FedEx would be. That's really my biggest concern. It looks like United is going to be a very fast upgrade soon, and wide bodies will go to junior FO's if that's really a consideration. All seats of all planes at both airlines are trending downward consistently. Historically, it seems like a no brainer for FedEx, but times are unprecedented at United. If 50% of the pilots are cut by 2030 for some reason, i'd still be 50% there. I like to think either option is going to provide a great income for a family at some point in my life. The number one thing i care about is quality time off and pay. I'm hoping to have a happy family at some point. I won't be one to chase the dough. If i'm doing my math right, i'll probably retire top 100 at FX and top couple hundred at UA.
What's the thoughts on living in base at United vs. commuting at FedEx?
I have a CJO at both. I'm 30, so my seniority will be great at either in the long run. I currently live in a UA domicile, and I'd probably never leave this domicile. I wouldn't move to MEM, but if i find the right partner one day, i'd definitely consider CGN and HKG.
No idea how taxing 35 years of night flying at FedEx would be. That's really my biggest concern. It looks like United is going to be a very fast upgrade soon, and wide bodies will go to junior FO's if that's really a consideration. All seats of all planes at both airlines are trending downward consistently. Historically, it seems like a no brainer for FedEx, but times are unprecedented at United. If 50% of the pilots are cut by 2030 for some reason, i'd still be 50% there. I like to think either option is going to provide a great income for a family at some point in my life. The number one thing i care about is quality time off and pay. I'm hoping to have a happy family at some point. I won't be one to chase the dough. If i'm doing my math right, i'll probably retire top 100 at FX and top couple hundred at UA.
What's the thoughts on living in base at United vs. commuting at FedEx?
07-31-2021 | 04:10 PM
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UAL vs FX
Reviving this. CJO at both. I live in Denver, with no intentions of moving to a FX base unless I find the right partner for a future world tour of bases. Curious what the thoughts are on driving to work for a legacy vs commuting to FX. I’d retire top 80 at FedEx and top 2-300 at United it seems.
Times at United are unprecedented with seniority. Literally if half the pilots are cut in 2030, I’d still have very good seniority. In the past this seems like a no brainer to go FX, but the seniority and living in base at UA seems enticing. I’m a QOL chaser, not a shiny jet, route, or money chaser. I’ve already adapted the philosophy of putting myself in a 65 year olds shoes and asking myself if I wish I would have worked more over my career. The answer is most likely no.
The whole pax vs no pax is negligible to me. I care about the quality of my off days.
Thoughts of who you’d go with if you were in my shoes?
Times at United are unprecedented with seniority. Literally if half the pilots are cut in 2030, I’d still have very good seniority. In the past this seems like a no brainer to go FX, but the seniority and living in base at UA seems enticing. I’m a QOL chaser, not a shiny jet, route, or money chaser. I’ve already adapted the philosophy of putting myself in a 65 year olds shoes and asking myself if I wish I would have worked more over my career. The answer is most likely no.
The whole pax vs no pax is negligible to me. I care about the quality of my off days.
Thoughts of who you’d go with if you were in my shoes?
07-31-2021 | 04:14 PM
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Reviving this. CJO at both. I live in Denver, with no intentions of moving to a FX base unless I find the right partner for a future world tour of bases. Curious what the thoughts are on driving to work for a legacy vs commuting to FX. I’d retire top 80 at FedEx and top 2-300 at United it seems.
Times at United are unprecedented with seniority. Literally if half the pilots are cut in 2030, I’d still have very good seniority. In the past this seems like a no brainer to go FX, but the seniority and living in base at UA seems enticing. I’m a QOL chaser, not a shiny jet, route, or money chaser. I’ve already adapted the philosophy of putting myself in a 65 year olds shoes and asking myself if I wish I would have worked more over my career. The answer is most likely no.
The whole pax vs no pax is negligible to me. I care about the quality of my off days.
Thoughts of who you’d go with if you were in my shoes?
Times at United are unprecedented with seniority. Literally if half the pilots are cut in 2030, I’d still have very good seniority. In the past this seems like a no brainer to go FX, but the seniority and living in base at UA seems enticing. I’m a QOL chaser, not a shiny jet, route, or money chaser. I’ve already adapted the philosophy of putting myself in a 65 year olds shoes and asking myself if I wish I would have worked more over my career. The answer is most likely no.
The whole pax vs no pax is negligible to me. I care about the quality of my off days.
Thoughts of who you’d go with if you were in my shoes?
07-31-2021 | 04:17 PM
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Reviving this. CJO at both. I live in Denver, with no intentions of moving to a FX base unless I find the right partner for a future world tour of bases. Curious what the thoughts are on driving to work for a legacy vs commuting to FX. I’d retire top 80 at FedEx and top 2-300 at United it seems.
Times at United are unprecedented with seniority. Literally if half the pilots are cut in 2030, I’d still have very good seniority. In the past this seems like a no brainer to go FX, but the seniority and living in base at UA seems enticing. I’m a QOL chaser, not a shiny jet, route, or money chaser. I’ve already adapted the philosophy of putting myself in a 65 year olds shoes and asking myself if I wish I would have worked more over my career. The answer is most likely no.
The whole pax vs no pax is negligible to me. I care about the quality of my off days.
Thoughts of who you’d go with if you were in my shoes?
Times at United are unprecedented with seniority. Literally if half the pilots are cut in 2030, I’d still have very good seniority. In the past this seems like a no brainer to go FX, but the seniority and living in base at UA seems enticing. I’m a QOL chaser, not a shiny jet, route, or money chaser. I’ve already adapted the philosophy of putting myself in a 65 year olds shoes and asking myself if I wish I would have worked more over my career. The answer is most likely no.
The whole pax vs no pax is negligible to me. I care about the quality of my off days.
Thoughts of who you’d go with if you were in my shoes?
07-31-2021 | 06:13 PM
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2020 was definitely an anomaly, but one that shows itself in this industry every 10 years or so. Further, you can plan on at least three more downturns of some sort in your career. That said, do you want to be at an airline that will furlough you, or go to an airline that has never furloughed?
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