spaaks

this is spot on

ReadyRsv

Nope. Can't read too much into THAT either. For instance. One question says "I want to be famous" other question says "I want to be in a rock and roll band" I answered those differently because I DO NOT want to be famous but WOULD like to be in a rock and roll band.


If you are nervous about the hogan talk to a professional. Advice on APC with regards to this topic is probably worse than nothing.

Good luck.

Falcondrivr

It's funny you should mention a professional. I asked one of my best friends to look into the Hogan test for me. He's a tenured Psychology Professor at USF. He specializes in designing statistical analysis tests for controlled populations (prison inmates.)

He was shocked that airlines use the Hogan as a pre-employment screening. He said that Dr. Hogan himself specifically stated that the test was not designed for that purpose, and wouldn't be a very good indicator of future work performance.

I think some company sold the HR departments at these companies using it for pre-employment screening and misrepresented the test's purpose. But, all of that doesn't mean anything to those of us just hoping to take it...

Skip0927

Great post but where is the part where you share his guaranteed method to pass the Hogan? Inmates and pilot are similar right. Confined in a small space witha great view but limited outside time.... 😂😂😂

4runner

Matte grey 150 sprint. Just got 12.5 gram roller weights and chrome, weighted bar ends.

GravellyPointer

They assess if you fit into the (mystery) desired personality profile. Be consistent but be honest. If those conflict, I’d rather be honest than consistent, up to a point. You can’t help but try a little to answer according to what they ‘might’ want.
I answered yes to liking scuba diving but no to wanting to be a deep sea diver - too much risk. Same for race car driver, although I like racing. Thought they might infer race car drivers would take too many risks in their Airbus. But to the fellow who answered yes & passed, kudos!
To me the test said they want a leader/manager but not an demanding over-controller, someone who trusts but not too much, optimism over cynicism, a social person but not too extroverted - balanced.
Friend who failed took it in front of TV bouncing questions to wife, learned lesson....


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spaaks

agreed, i think that was kinda covered under the statement that you have to be consistent. I'll give you another example, if they ask you do you want to be famous? want to be in a rock band? would you enjoy being an actor? and 2-7 other questions that are grouped in the same category of _____ whatever they call it. After reading about how the test was designed, each company can tailor how they want the results scored. Word on the street (blogs, hogan threads...) is that united wants consistency but will accept less than 100% consistency to allow for the example you provided. In my opinion, in a grouping of 5 questions, if you answer 1 out of the 5 differently than the rest you're ok, 2 of 5 you're toeing the line, 3 of 5 you're probably not going to pass. A human doesn't grade this test, a computer algorithm does, that i think (but can't say 100%) has hard limits on how much inconsistency between questions in a grouping it will allow.

For example, in the "risk grouping", if they ask: do you like to take risks? do you want to be a race car driver? do you like bungee jumping? do you want to go skydiving? is taking risk stressful for you? The computer sees this as the same question 5 times. In my opinion, you need to answer 4-5 of those 5 questions in the same direction. The computer doesn't have the ability to understand that you like or don't like (skydiving for example) for any other reason than "risk" because it's in the risk grouping of questions. if you say: I like risk, i want to be a race car driver, I want to bungee jump, i do NOT want to skydive because i don't like wind in my hair (not because of risk), and yes taking risk is stressful for me (for whatever reason- you have family and haven't updated your will, you were thinking in terms of making a risky investment in the stock market not skydiving). The computer system only sees that in the "Risk" category, you answered yes,yes,yes,no,no. You don't get to explain your reasoning, the computer just sees that you answered 3-2 and if united sets their limit at 4-1, you just failed because you like risk, and bungee jumping, but not skydiving and the parameters are probably set to say if a reasonable person likes risk, they must like skydiving and bungee jumping. In my opinion you just have to simplify the questions and figure out what they're actually asking/what grouping it's in and be consistent. That being said, be honest. If you like risk, answer towards that side of the spectrum, don't try to think "well, united probably doesn't want me to take risk at work so i'm going to say i don't like risk." That will get you in trouble because they probably designed the tolerances to say, "they're a pilot, they probably like risk since flying is risky. so we'll accept 4 or 5 in the affirmative to risk grouping, but if they say they don't like risk they have to answer 5 of 5 to meet the tolerances". Take it FWIW, just my .02 on how the test was designed.

my advice is read the threads and blogs elsewhere on the internet about the hogan test, how it was designed, and how people who were successful answered the questions. The people that were successful all give pretty consistently similar advice/guidance on how they approached the test

ReadyRsv

Umm, that's great fan fiction but your guesses on this subject are just that.

spaaks

not fiction or guesses, i did the research on how the test was designed. That being said, i don't know 100% how united tailors their hogan, but after doing all the research i'm confident that's how the system works. Gotta learn how the computer thinks, not all that different from learning to bid on PBS software. The most successful PBS bidders I know learned how to think like the computer.

The "professional" someone previously suggested going to for hogan help I suspect will give similar advice to what I said. None of the questions are black and white, they're all in gray area. Gotta learn how to get on to the acceptable side of the parameters they set. Most everyone who passed and is giving the same "be honest, but be consistent" advice is saying the same thing I am. The point of my post was to give more detail and say, i've done the research and they're right. That is how the test was designed.

ReadyRsv

Suuuuuureee!