Hogan assessment
10-10-2018 | 10:48 AM
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I'm a realist. If we are going to use an unsupervised method to take a screening test that determines somebody's entire future, we better expect the consequences.
If the company really wanted to find out who cheated, they could start analyzing answers. Better to just use the test as part of the interview, taken at TK before the panel.
If the company really wanted to find out who cheated, they could start analyzing answers. Better to just use the test as part of the interview, taken at TK before the panel.
10-10-2018 | 11:14 AM
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“Dont hate the playa’, hate the game”.....
We could consider interview prep “cheating” too.
Let me illustrate/breakdown an example;
Pilots are at a seminar/workshop, either live/in person or on via webinar. Person/consultant hosting starts with going around the group with at TMMAT question. Pilot answers in the most wrong way someone could. Not only is it not in STAR format, but isn’t polished nor resembling what HR likes to hear. As an example, a CRM/teamwork question that didn’t go well.
Pilots have interviewed at DAL/FX without doing the tech test prep and passed. Others, although extremely intelligent and great pilots have failed. But the people that do the prep and are basically told what to expect and make passing it more a probability, well, “cheating”?
Consultant basically tells them how answer and/or think of another story. Don’t have one? Better make one up. Think that doesn’t happen? One of the VERY GOOD prep services has posted on this message board EXACTLY THAT.
Had said pilot not bothered to seek out/attend help on how to get through the interview and gone in “cold”, they would have blew it. The help/info posted here about the Hogan is pretty much accurate from my own, as well as others expedience. I know plenty that didn’t take advice and answered what they THINK they should answer. And I haven’t run into anyone that had their spouse over their shoulder that passed it, but I know 3 that did have their spouse there and didn’t pass.
Cheating? You tell me....
We could spilt hairs all day long on where that line falls.
We could consider interview prep “cheating” too.
Let me illustrate/breakdown an example;
Pilots are at a seminar/workshop, either live/in person or on via webinar. Person/consultant hosting starts with going around the group with at TMMAT question. Pilot answers in the most wrong way someone could. Not only is it not in STAR format, but isn’t polished nor resembling what HR likes to hear. As an example, a CRM/teamwork question that didn’t go well.
Pilots have interviewed at DAL/FX without doing the tech test prep and passed. Others, although extremely intelligent and great pilots have failed. But the people that do the prep and are basically told what to expect and make passing it more a probability, well, “cheating”?
Consultant basically tells them how answer and/or think of another story. Don’t have one? Better make one up. Think that doesn’t happen? One of the VERY GOOD prep services has posted on this message board EXACTLY THAT.
Had said pilot not bothered to seek out/attend help on how to get through the interview and gone in “cold”, they would have blew it. The help/info posted here about the Hogan is pretty much accurate from my own, as well as others expedience. I know plenty that didn’t take advice and answered what they THINK they should answer. And I haven’t run into anyone that had their spouse over their shoulder that passed it, but I know 3 that did have their spouse there and didn’t pass.
Cheating? You tell me....
We could spilt hairs all day long on where that line falls.
Last edited by John Carr; 10-10-2018 at 11:29 AM.
10-10-2018 | 05:37 PM
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I'm a realist. If we are going to use an unsupervised method to take a screening test that determines somebody's entire future, we better expect the consequences.
If the company really wanted to find out who cheated, they could start analyzing answers. Better to just use the test as part of the interview, taken at TK before the panel.
If the company really wanted to find out who cheated, they could start analyzing answers. Better to just use the test as part of the interview, taken at TK before the panel.
What’s TK?
10-10-2018 | 05:39 PM
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“Dont hate the playa’, hate the game”.....
We could consider interview prep “cheating” too.
Let me illustrate/breakdown an example;
Pilots are at a seminar/workshop, either live/in person or on via webinar. Person/consultant hosting starts with going around the group with at TMMAT question. Pilot answers in the most wrong way someone could. Not only is it not in STAR format, but isn’t polished nor resembling what HR likes to hear. As an example, a CRM/teamwork question that didn’t go well.
Pilots have interviewed at DAL/FX without doing the tech test prep and passed. Others, although extremely intelligent and great pilots have failed. But the people that do the prep and are basically told what to expect and make passing it more a probability, well, “cheating”?
Consultant basically tells them how answer and/or think of another story. Don’t have one? Better make one up. Think that doesn’t happen? One of the VERY GOOD prep services has posted on this message board EXACTLY THAT.
Had said pilot not bothered to seek out/attend help on how to get through the interview and gone in “cold”, they would have blew it. The help/info posted here about the Hogan is pretty much accurate from my own, as well as others expedience. I know plenty that didn’t take advice and answered what they THINK they should answer. And I haven’t run into anyone that had their spouse over their shoulder that passed it, but I know 3 that did have their spouse there and didn’t pass.
Cheating? You tell me....
We could spilt hairs all day long on where that line falls.
We could consider interview prep “cheating” too.
Let me illustrate/breakdown an example;
Pilots are at a seminar/workshop, either live/in person or on via webinar. Person/consultant hosting starts with going around the group with at TMMAT question. Pilot answers in the most wrong way someone could. Not only is it not in STAR format, but isn’t polished nor resembling what HR likes to hear. As an example, a CRM/teamwork question that didn’t go well.
Pilots have interviewed at DAL/FX without doing the tech test prep and passed. Others, although extremely intelligent and great pilots have failed. But the people that do the prep and are basically told what to expect and make passing it more a probability, well, “cheating”?
Consultant basically tells them how answer and/or think of another story. Don’t have one? Better make one up. Think that doesn’t happen? One of the VERY GOOD prep services has posted on this message board EXACTLY THAT.
Had said pilot not bothered to seek out/attend help on how to get through the interview and gone in “cold”, they would have blew it. The help/info posted here about the Hogan is pretty much accurate from my own, as well as others expedience. I know plenty that didn’t take advice and answered what they THINK they should answer. And I haven’t run into anyone that had their spouse over their shoulder that passed it, but I know 3 that did have their spouse there and didn’t pass.
Cheating? You tell me....
We could spilt hairs all day long on where that line falls.
10-10-2018 | 05:48 PM
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Hmm I’m in the 10/9 N/H class (started yesterday), we haven’t lost anyone AFAIK. Maybe a furlough return? I’ll ask tomorrow.
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10-11-2018 | 05:28 AM
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It’s the nickname for the pilot training center.
In the old days of internal company mail each location had an address with the city code followed by another two letter internal code.
Denver flight ops was DENFO, for example.
For whatever reason the training center was DENTK, or TK for short since in the pilot universe there was only one training center.
The wags suggested TK stood for Training Kingdom.
In the old days of internal company mail each location had an address with the city code followed by another two letter internal code.
Denver flight ops was DENFO, for example.
For whatever reason the training center was DENTK, or TK for short since in the pilot universe there was only one training center.
The wags suggested TK stood for Training Kingdom.
10-11-2018 | 11:00 AM
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10-11-2018 | 11:25 AM
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It’s the nickname for the pilot training center.
In the old days of internal company mail each location had an address with the city code followed by another two letter internal code.
Denver flight ops was DENFO, for example.
For whatever reason the training center was DENTK, or TK for short since in the pilot universe there was only one training center.
The wags suggested TK stood for Training Kingdom.
In the old days of internal company mail each location had an address with the city code followed by another two letter internal code.
Denver flight ops was DENFO, for example.
For whatever reason the training center was DENTK, or TK for short since in the pilot universe there was only one training center.
The wags suggested TK stood for Training Kingdom.
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