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Quote: Curious if any of the other airlines have language that prevents PBS from building 8-12 day work blocks. If guys want to work that long more power to them, but forcing us into 8-12 days on the road is a little excessive. Seems like 6 days on, with two between work blocks would be a bit more reasonable unless you waive it. The other answer might be to not give out any December vacations.... I’m guessing EWR will have a few sick calls rolling in.
Where are you bidding in relation to the gline? If SET commands are failing, would you be better bidding reserve?
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The protections your seek are already built into the system. The scenario you are describing is not possible unless you waived days off. Call the pbs hotline and have them explain your bid results. Our system has a tough learning curve that typically involves a hard lesson around the holidays.
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Quote: The protections your seek are already built into the system. The scenario you are describing is not possible unless you waived days off. Call the pbs hotline and have them explain your bid results. Our system has a tough learning curve that typically involves a hard lesson around the holidays.
"But, but, but I have to waive to get a line..."

The simple explanation: either one knows a lot less about PBS than they think they do or they're junior and tried getting a line by waiving some contractual rights.

I only have 10 days of work in a row this year; I think I had something like 15 days in a row in a previous year over the holidays. I understand why that happens and don't need to start a new thread over the subject. YMMV.
On the bright side, it cuts down on the need to commute during the busiest time of the year.
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Quote: Seems like 6 days on, with two between work blocks would be a bit more reasonable unless you waive it.
That is exactly what the UPA provides. No more than a six-day work block (unless waived) and a minimum of two days off between work blocks (unless waived).

Quote: The contract requires 30 hours off in base per rolling 168 hours unless you waive it then PBS can use a 30-hour layover
The contract requires one day off in domicile every seven days (unless waived). 14 CFR 117 requires 30 free from duty within last 168 hours at the start of every FDP (can not be waived but can be on a layover).
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From the most recent PBS newsletter:


WAIVES REVISITED
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Where this has the least desirable impact is when bidders use waives in their final submitted bid group and they enter completion mode. Waives are not stripped out during completion mode, and if a bidder makes it to completion mode four due to not bidding deep enough, they are subject to an award that not only includes trips they preferred not to fly, but which uses the waives to decrease line quality even further.


So, if you are going to use a "waive" in your bidding strategy, make sure you don't keep the waive in the last one!!!!
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Quote: Curious if any of the other airlines have language that prevents PBS from building 8-12 day work blocks. If guys want to work that long more power to them, but forcing us into 8-12 days on the road is a little excessive. Seems like 6 days on, with two between work blocks would be a bit more reasonable unless you waive it.
At DAL we have no such provisions...you're free to put as many or as few as 3 days (NB) or 4 days (WB) reserve days in a row. I'm guessing this was needed back when we had a ton of 12-13 days trips. Those are mostly gone but there are still some on the 75/76 categories out west...as well as LOTS of 9 day trips on the 350. I like that you guys have he 30 hours rest requirement at home, but like you I would need the ability to waive it for PBS. Lots of guys use ultra long blocks as a bidding strategy to mostly ensure they get a few 30 hours breaks at home. For us WB guys long blocks can also be useful in getting a extra days off where we're relatively certain we can't be used. Also, it's a great thing for the guys who wish to play the rolling thunder game.
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Quote: The protections your seek are already built into the system. The scenario you are describing is not possible unless you waived days off. Call the pbs hotline and have them explain your bid results. Our system has a tough learning curve that typically involves a hard lesson around the holidays.
Nope, your incorrect look at all of the 737 CA EWR awards for captains (and fo) below 60-65%. I understand the system I didn’t wave days off...... completion mode 4....
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Quote: Nope, your incorrect look at all of the 737 CA EWR awards for captains (and fo) below 60-65%. I understand the system I didn’t wave days off...... completion mode 4....
Completion mode will not force work blocks over six days in length unless you have waived 1-in-7. If it did, that's an error and should be disputed.
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Quote: Nope, your incorrect look at all of the 737 CA EWR awards for captains (and fo) below 60-65%. I understand the system I didn’t wave days off...... completion mode 4....
It doesn’t matter how many awards came out that way, it only happens when waive commands are contained in your final bid group. Take another look.
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Quote: I'm guessing this was needed back when we had a ton of 12-13 days trips. Those are mostly gone but there are still some on the 75/76 categories out west...as well as LOTS of 9 day trips on the 350.
They build trips of that length?

What does the segment sequence look like on one of those?
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