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Ni hao 02-09-2019 09:54 AM

This is without a doubt SK with two fingers up at our MEC. SK has not changed his playbook for 20 years. On the plus side we now know the plan. They should not be stuck on scope anymore. A new UPA by this summer :D

RoyerYetlink 02-09-2019 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 2760401)
From what I’ve read on the Gojet forum, no agreement has been reached with their pilots as to pay rates. My understanding is their rates are based on number of seats. That will be interesting, watching Go convince their pilots to accept 50 seat pay for a 70 seat.....

Apparently, the rate UA will pay has already been agreed.

Go has a problem with pilot retentions and sounds like pilot relations are already strained.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/gojet/117001-gojet-loses-another-federal-employment-case.html

baseball 02-09-2019 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 2760276)
If a 50 seater is used to open new markets..
And then they upgrade to a 70/76 seater..
Till they start adding a mix of 70/76 seaters and 50 seaters.

Is there any such thing as a new market? I think all of the data should be out there as far as where the airports are, where the people live, and where folks wanna go.

It should be pretty simple for the marketing folks. I really don't think there are any "new" markets..... Likely some unserved for a reason, and some under served for a reason.

baseball 02-09-2019 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 2759931)
The fact that we have NO 100 seater is killing us.. slowly.

I also find it (sadly) humorous that it will be staffed by a single flight attendant but still have a first and a premium economy class.
Service?!

It is my theory that we are subsidizing Kirby's silly thought process and economic plans.

Don't run the APU! Result: we save money, and then we have the money to burn on the lack of a 100 seat airplane.

Reduce staffing on the FA side! Result: we save money, and then we have the money to burn by buying a 70 seat jet and flying it with 50 people.

I see how this works.....We rob peter and then pay paul. We just do it internally. Rob one department and pay another. The balance sheets don't care as long as the final balance sheet is squared away.

Zenofzin 02-09-2019 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2760623)
It is my theory that we are subsidizing Kirby's silly thought process and economic plans.

Don't run the APU! Result: we save money, and then we have the money to burn on the lack of a 100 seat airplane.

Reduce staffing on the FA side! Result: we save money, and then we have the money to burn by buying a 70 seat jet and flying it with 50 people.

I see how this works.....We rob peter and then pay paul. We just do it internally. Rob one department and pay another. The balance sheets don't care as long as the final balance sheet is squared away.

We are trying to fill planes and connect to mainline with the high yield passengers, it’s our union blocking the company from selling more seats. Our scope love it or not ultimately affects our profitability. I’m not advocating selling out, but I do know out of a lot of cities we have lost global service and higher paying customers do to our inferior 50 seat product. That’s life. I personally would be fine with replacing more 50 seaters with 70 seats at the regional level. I think we are cutting our own necks. The same guys that beeyatch about DAL profit sharing don’t seem open minded to any changes that might increase our profitability. Yes single engine taxi helps and when even employees like myself BUY tickets for their families rather then use the UAL discount because you have to travel on a crap 50 seat RJ THERE IS AN ISSUE. I hope our union knows what it’s doing

Flytolive 02-09-2019 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Zenofzin (Post 2760656)
Our scope love it or not ultimately affects our profitability...I personally would be fine with replacing more 50 seaters with 70 seats at the regional level. I think we are cutting our own necks. The same guys that beeyatch about DAL profit sharing don’t seem open minded to any changes that might increase our profitability....I hope our union knows what it’s doing

The UPA RJ scope clause is essentially the same as Delta's. It is United management who doesn't want to compete on that basis. Thankfully our union is holding the line. Some pilots never learn.

cadetdrivr 02-09-2019 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2760668)
The UPA RJ scope clause is essentially the same as Delta's. It is United management who doesn't want to compete on that basis. Thankfully our union is holding the line. Some pilots never learn.

^^^
This

Sometimes I’m amazed that pilots are our own worst enemy. But mostly, I’m not.

blockplus 02-09-2019 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Zenofzin (Post 2760656)
We are trying to fill planes and connect to mainline with the high yield passengers, it’s our union blocking the company from selling more seats. Our scope love it or not ultimately affects our profitability. I’m not advocating selling out, but I do know out of a lot of cities we have lost global service and higher paying customers do to our inferior 50 seat product. That’s life. I personally would be fine with replacing more 50 seaters with 70 seats at the regional level. I think we are cutting our own necks. The same guys that beeyatch about DAL profit sharing don’t seem open minded to any changes that might increase our profitability. Yes single engine taxi helps and when even employees like myself BUY tickets for their families rather then use the UAL discount because you have to travel on a crap 50 seat RJ THERE IS AN ISSUE. I hope our union knows what it’s doing

And you know that pesky code share and joint venture scope is severely limiting our company’s ability to turn a larger profit too.. I mean Delta

flightmedic01 02-09-2019 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by Zenofzin (Post 2760656)
We are trying to fill planes and connect to mainline with the high yield passengers, it’s our union blocking the company from selling more seats. Our scope love it or not ultimately affects our profitability. I’m not advocating selling out, but I do know out of a lot of cities we have lost global service and higher paying customers do to our inferior 50 seat product. That’s life. I personally would be fine with replacing more 50 seaters with 70 seats at the regional level. I think we are cutting our own necks. The same guys that beeyatch about DAL profit sharing don’t seem open minded to any changes that might increase our profitability. Yes single engine taxi helps and when even employees like myself BUY tickets for their families rather then use the UAL discount because you have to travel on a crap 50 seat RJ THERE IS AN ISSUE. I hope our union knows what it’s doing

UAL can add as many 70/76 seaters as they want. They just have to be flown by UAL pilots and not outsourced to some fly-by-night outfit like GoatJets. And this CRJ-550 is still gonna be an inferior product. One overworked and underpaid FA, 10 "premium" seats and 40 economy seats, self-serve vending machine (or whatever its gonna be) and stacking your rollaboards in a closet like a giant game of Jenga. Yeah, what possibly could go wrong?!?:confused::confused:

Zenofzin 02-09-2019 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2760668)
The UPA RJ scope clause is essentially the same as Delta's. It is United management who doesn't want to compete on that basis. Thankfully our union is holding the line. Some pilots never learn.

Lol we hold the line and lose profitabile customers. Good call.


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