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Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2759727)

on the serious side...Management has likely game planned this out.

What do you think of this possibility? Bring on this new jet and configure it to comply with scope. Result: RASM and PRASM, and other economic metrics are simply ignored in the short term so that management can be in position to make a long term play.

Another words, management is happy to lose money for 3 to 7 years if they can find a way to reconfigure the jets and/or similar jets later on if they can find a way to get around scope and/or kick the can so long they force the pilots to capitulate and give up scope.

I think this CRJ 550 or whatever they are calling it is a long term and not a short term play. Sorta like ISIS has a 2000 year plan, Kirby has a 30 year plan and this is phase one.

If only the pilots flying them were on the mainline list, they could play all the seat games they wanted...
From a practical standpoint I think it’s a good idea to really improve a subpar product, the cost should be recaptured by the upgraded seating. Let’s hope it’s not screwed up in the implementation phase, like the awful backbreaking church pew seats they put in the 175s.

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Originally Posted by IAHB756 (Post 2759374)

That sounded a tad too positive for APC. We don’t know what to do with posts like this. I’m not comfortable with this.....

I know...I gotta work on less optimism. Still new to APC. :)

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Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2759520)

That self serve coke machine might make up the weight difference.

It shouldn’t. Max gross is max gross. They can’t exceed the weight limit per the UPA. How they allocate the weight is up to them I suppose. But they can’t use the old CRJ700 Max weight.

I have no idea what the fuel burn is for a 550 at #65,000 vs a 200 at MTOG. Just curious to see what the actual difference would be vs a 700 at MTOG going against a 200 at MTOG

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Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2759727)

Correct. End of discussion.

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Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2759727)

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Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2759729)

Bringing this jet on is a clear indication that we will get no contract, at all, ever.

Since contracts simply become amendable and don't expire, there is no way to force management to meet our demands, and there is no way for management to force us to meet their demands....except one thing. In 20 years we will want pay improvements, etc. Another words, management writes the checks.

I hope ALPA realizes the new RJ play is a long term strategic play by management to reshape the negotiations and apply leverage to drive results in their favor.

This.
The idea that they are going to take a 70 seat aircraft and turn it into a 50 seater and it will "make money" & ''please our passengers" is ludicrous.

At what point will a market need a bigger aircraft but there wont be one since we have all our 70/76 seaters already allocated?
The fact that we have NO 100 seater is killing us.. slowly.

I also find it (sadly) humorous that it will be staffed by a single flight attendant but still have a first and a premium economy class.
Service?! NOPE.

But, it gets UAL & SK around the current Small Scope limitations.

At least now we already know our Profit Sharing for 2020 will probably be around 2-3%..

[As I've stated before (my opinion).. if we don't do some sort of E195-E2 order at this years Paris Airshow, I don't think we will have a new contract for a while. Oh well. At least we have new crappy uniforms to look forward to~]

Motch
FS, FP & FtC

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Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2759520)

That self serve coke machine might make up the weight difference.

https://img1.etsystatic.com/218/0/14...18075_skgx.jpg

Who said anything about a machine?

I look at this as our contract working as designed. The ERJ-145 is a garbage product, but since they can’t have more big rj’s their options are limited. I read this as them wanting to provide a better product, but also realize that we’re not about to bend on scope. This is the best that they can come up with short of adding some type of SNB fleet at mainline and getting more rj’s as a result. My guess is that they cave before we do. I’m hoping that they add a new fleet type at mainline therefore unlocking additional big rj’s, convert more jets into 550’s, and make cheap beer cans out of the 145’s. That would be a pretty good product. The flying, not the beer cans. My guess is that any container made out of a 145 would taint the contents.

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Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 2759598)

United has had some original Ideas. I remember MGT. was gonna start a private jet service around the year 2000...someone must of let that guy out of the basement again.

Haha. I remember Avolar, but I don’t know how original it was. Delta acquired Comair Jet Express in 2000 and still runs it today as Delta Private Jets. That is probably what triggered Avolar. But AMR also founded Flexjet with Bombardier in ‘95. United has always played catch-up.

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Originally Posted by Floyd (Post 2759666)

It was conceived in early 2001 and euthanized almost a year later.

Like Meatlof swoons.......two outta three ain’t bad. :)

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Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 2759931)

Coming in positive again here...I don’t think “killing us slowly” is growing 5% per year with an aircraft order book that is putting us up over 800 mainline aircraft this year. New route announcements happening often enough that I start tuning out. We are getting used 319s so maybe with the additional first class seats it gets the market for a 100 seater.