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Itsajob 02-12-2019 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 2761433)
This time I believe they do, and you don't.


You have to travel on a crap 50 seat RJ because in the past our union didn't do enough to protect our jobs. Too late for me, but not too late for the young bucks wandering the halls these days sporting a halfwing. I say, better late than never. Willis already has enough money to spit polish the operation. They just want more RJ drivers and fewer of us.

What's past is prologue.

I don’t know how to post memes, but that Cool Hand Luke is great. I wanted to post one of Sheriff Bart saying “can’t you see that this is the last act of a desperate man?” I know that we want to take back the flying, but when this is what they come up with, scope is choking them. I don’t expect small rj’s at mainline in this round, but I wouldn’t be surprised with something in the 100-120 seat range ordered in the next couple of years as the current negotiations wind down. Our current contract gives them an option for the rj’s that they want and they have kicked the can about as far as they can now. I’m cautiously optimistic that the company will have no cost effective option but to bring more flying to mainline in the near future. That pesky union contract is working as designed. Not trying to preach to the choir here by the way.

TimetoClimb 02-13-2019 08:08 AM

Asking as an express pilot, is UAL near the limit of 50 seaters on scope? I read somewhere 90% of narrow body fleet is allowed but that'd be in the high 500s. I know large rj scope is maxed out but is SK planning to expand 50 seat flying on it's own rather than just exchange large rj for small, with a move like this?

cadetdrivr 02-13-2019 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by TimetoClimb (Post 2763261)
I know large rj scope is maxed out but is SK planning to expand 50 seat flying on it's own rather than just exchange large rj for small, with a move like this?

It's possible, but virtually all of the hubs are either constrained in some way or close to it.

It would appear that this Frankenstein RJ probably does have a niche, but there's not a lot of gates or slots out there that are not more economically served by larger airplanes. IMHO, it seems more like a way to improve a poor 50-seat product and extend first class cabins into smaller markets than provide substantial 50-seat growth.

baseball 02-13-2019 10:14 AM

I wonder if wall street is paying attention...…

I wonder if the institutional investors as well as the board of directors are actually "highly informed" with "high fidelity information", or do they just get what senior management spoon feeds them?

if I were a big shot investor at UAL, I would want to know where the profits are going and why our competitors are doing so well in markets that we don't serve or under serve.

I would further want to know why our competitors are doing well in the 100 seat market and when we compare apples to apples (market and aircraft gauge) why our metrics don't compare.

Scott Kirby and Oscar Munoz can likely keep lying to investors for another year before the competitions' metrics become very noticeable.

Anyone with any big connections at wall street? I think it's time to do some PR work.

ReadyRsv 02-13-2019 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2763396)
I wonder if wall street is paying attention...…

I wonder if the institutional investors as well as the board of directors are actually "highly informed" with "high fidelity information", or do they just get what senior management spoon feeds them?

if I were a big shot investor at UAL, I would want to know where the profits are going and why our competitors are doing so well in markets that we don't serve or under serve.

I would further want to know why our competitors are doing well in the 100 seat market and when we compare apples to apples (market and aircraft gauge) why our metrics don't compare.

Scott Kirby and Oscar Munoz can likely keep lying to investors for another year before the competitions' metrics become very noticeable.

Anyone with any big connections at wall street? I think it's time to do some PR work.

The big shots see the multiple billion $ stock buybacks and record share prices and are happy to see as much outsourcing as possible.

Dave Fitzgerald 02-14-2019 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2763396)
I wonder if wall street is paying attention...…

I wonder if the institutional investors as well as the board of directors are actually "highly informed" with "high fidelity information", or do they just get what senior management spoon feeds them?

if I were a big shot investor at UAL, I would want to know where the profits are going and why our competitors are doing so well in markets that we don't serve or under serve.

I would further want to know why our competitors are doing well in the 100 seat market and when we compare apples to apples (market and aircraft gauge) why our metrics don't compare.

Scott Kirby and Oscar Munoz can likely keep lying to investors for another year before the competitions' metrics become very noticeable.

Anyone with any big connections at wall street? I think it's time to do some PR work.

Investors don't give a rats ass about how the airline is run. Informed really doesn't enter into it. It's all about stock price and dividends. Even if it's a short sighted decision that will cost more money in the end, it's all about this quarter. Short term gain, vs. employees who are in it for the long haul.

The metrics are, where is my money?

airlinepilot50 02-14-2019 09:00 AM

Is United leasing the CRJ550s for GoJet? Or is GoJet financing these aircraft? United is paying Mesa pilots 300% to pick up extra flying. Some captains are making over 200k a year flying at Mesa thanks to United paying the extra bonuses and premium pay. Seems like a lot of money for a regional captain, but they do work harder than most pilots in the airline industry.

skypest 02-14-2019 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2764105)
United is paying Mesa pilots 300% to pick up extra flying. Some captains are making over 200k a year flying at Mesa thanks to United paying the extra bonuses and premium pay.

Can you provide where this information is coming from?
I've never heard of United "paying" any other carriers pilots for their services.
If true, this sounds like a clear violation of our CBA section 1-C. Please provide your sources.

Pest

MiLa 02-14-2019 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by skypest (Post 2764148)
Can you provide where this information is coming from?
I've never heard of United "paying" any other carriers pilots for their services.
If true, this sounds like a clear violation of our CBA section 1-C. Please provide your sources.

Pest

United isn’t paying the Mesa pilots. Mesa is paying Mesa pilots 300% to cover flying...

skypest 02-14-2019 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by MiLa (Post 2764154)
United isn’t paying the Mesa pilots. Mesa is paying Mesa pilots 300% to cover flying...


That's what i figured but that's not what airlinepilot50 stated.


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