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Mesabah 02-06-2019 04:53 PM

The economics of the CRJ 200 are really bad, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that a 50 seat 700 is cheaper to operate. Obviously a 70 seat CRJ7 is better than a 50 seat CRJ7, but I would say with the premium seats, the CRJ7 at 50 easily beats a CRJ2. The fuel burn difference is only around 10%.

RJDio 02-06-2019 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by guppie (Post 2758491)
Lol. And you wonder why some of us were disappointed when Kirby killed the -700 order and signed up Air Willy for more 50 seaters ;)

You must be confusing me with someone else. I was highly critical of that order cancellation.

Cancelling new 737 that were cheaper than a brand new E175, burn a few hundred pounds an hour more but carry 50 more pax, plus cargo never did make sense to me. But we know the true motive behind the cancellation was not the same “old” technology that is in the dozens of owned and soon to be delivered UCH E175’s, rather it was his way to apply his finger prints on his new employer and those on the other side of the table.

EELightning 02-06-2019 07:39 PM


The economics of the CRJ 200 are really bad, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that a 50 seat 700 is cheaper to operate. Obviously a 70 seat CRJ7 is better than a 50 seat CRJ7, but I would say with the premium seats, the CRJ7 at 50 easily beats a CRJ2. The fuel burn difference is only around 10%.
The 700 burns about 40% more in both climb and cruise. On taxi, the real world burn is only 10-20% higher since the 200 has to taxi with apu up. With its better climb, and slightly faster cruise speed, the trip fuel is 35-40% higher in a 700.

Lemme do some math seventy, divide by 50.... something like 1.4 yeah. I can’t speak to casm, but with respect to fasm (or gasm if you will), the 50 seater 200, and the 700 with 70 seats are nearly the same.

With 50 seats in it, the 700 should have approximately the fuel efficiency of a convair 880.

awax 02-06-2019 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 2758368)
I think the heartburn from this is the company’s willingness to invest in an outsourced product, while having a viable (according to the union) alternative in-house.

While we may be far removed from the toxic environment of the Tilton era, this announcement is a sobering one, remind us we are far from strategic harmony with management. They are/will continue to treat this relationship like Hyman Roth. And so should we.

Kirby found his way around the scope dilemma that he faced, now that's outta the way, what's the holdup on the contract? I think the next 6 months will all telling about the future of the company with respect to labor.

ugleeual 02-06-2019 08:30 PM

Self serve beverages and snacks in premium cabin.... back in coach they’ll pass around a bucket and ladle... just like on a pirate ship.

ChalupaBatman 02-06-2019 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 2758486)
Replacing the god-awful CRJ200 and ERJ145 with these makes good sense, 10FC, 20+ and 20 economy.

Seat map
https://hub.united.com/united-more-p...628095340.html


Replacing them would be amazing....but they're not. They're simply re-purposing higher capacity aircraft into a lower unfilled category called the 50 seater.



Next announcement prediction: We pull all the ex-XJT ERJ-135s out of the desert and re-configure them to be 16 seaters. The "new" jet will offer a pre-departure magic show, all first class lie-flat seats, with 8 closets, self service galley, WiFi, DirecTV, SiriusXM, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Roku and of course, Hulu. Embraer will happily re-certify the jet with no flight attendant thereby saving "substantial sums" by having the F/O assume those duties. UAL stock climbs $18. The moans of Wall Street will be deafening as they all collectively climax at Kirby's genius. There will be a line of shareholders, & analysts lined up on Wacker Drive all waiting for the privilege of servicing him.

TangoIndiaMike1 02-06-2019 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2758711)
Self serve beverages and snacks in premium cabin.... back in coach they’ll pass around a bucket and ladle... just like on a pirate ship.



I can’t wait to get my own coffee!


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tkt96 02-07-2019 03:29 AM

What will they think of next??? Rip seats out of 767-300's and fly them around with only 167 mostly premium pax to high demand business focused cities?

Madness.

JoePatroni 02-07-2019 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2758711)
Self serve beverages and snacks in premium cabin.... back in coach they’ll pass around a bucket and ladle... just like on a pirate ship.

LMFAO....excellent.

UAL T38 Phlyer 02-07-2019 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by ChalupaBatman (Post 2758741)

......Next announcement prediction: We pull all the ex-XJT ERJ-135s out of the desert and re-configure them to be 16 seaters. The "new" jet will offer a pre-departure magic show, all first class lie-flat seats, with 8 closets, self service galley, WiFi, DirecTV, SiriusXM, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Roku and of course, Hulu. Embraer will happily re-certify the jet with no flight attendant thereby saving "substantial sums" by having the F/O assume those duties. UAL stock climbs $18. The moans of Wall Street will be deafening as they all collectively climax at Kirby's genius. There will be a line of shareholders, & analysts lined up on Wacker Drive all waiting for the privilege of servicing him.

:p. Brilliant!! :p


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