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02-17-2019 | 11:50 AM
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Fortunately, smarter people than you who actually represent pilots have given this management all the flexibility they need to deliver an industry leading product.
UAL pilots stand ready to fly that improved lift when when management decides to provide a better experience for our best customers. In the meantime don’t expect UAL pilots to meet management at the bottom and agree to give away our flying.
UAL pilots stand ready to fly that improved lift when when management decides to provide a better experience for our best customers. In the meantime don’t expect UAL pilots to meet management at the bottom and agree to give away our flying.
02-17-2019 | 11:56 AM
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The best part of this is that the regionals cost advantage is eroding, and the argument to bring more flying back to mainline is starting to make financial sense. Having to pay more to outsource flying to subcontractors will make adding a SNB to mainline more attractive.
ALSO agreed. They can move/manipulate the numbers via wall street/financial/accounting PFM to keep playing chess while we play checkers.
02-17-2019 | 07:37 PM
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Mainline pilots negotiate with their management over the scope of their flying. The left overs are thrown to the regionals for them to bid on. How is that unethical?
02-17-2019 | 08:58 PM
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If the majors are paying for it one way or another (and they are). Then, we the line pilots are subsidizing it. How much money are we the line pilots of the majors losing in the form of wage subsidies and/or bonuses and other intrinsic as well as tangible/non tangible compensation?
the subsidizing of labor that it outsourced hurts the profession. In addition, our dues dollars go towards subsidzing the very competition (regionals) that are taking our revenue stream.
How is it ethical for ALPA to allow dues money from Delta and United MEC's to be used against us to take revenue from us?
the subsidizing of labor that it outsourced hurts the profession. In addition, our dues dollars go towards subsidzing the very competition (regionals) that are taking our revenue stream.
How is it ethical for ALPA to allow dues money from Delta and United MEC's to be used against us to take revenue from us?
02-18-2019 | 07:00 AM
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I'm a regional pilot and I pay into those dues. ALPA is supposed to represent ALL of our interests as Pilots - not just yours. HOWEVER - beyond that what you said above MAKES NO SENSE! Your dues don't subsidize a regional. Your company pays that - not you, and not your dues.
Actually, I believe the low rates at the regionals actually subsidize the mainline rates. That’s what I think anyway.
02-18-2019 | 07:40 AM
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The line is crossed once you’ve hit break even and even before that, at barely any profit at all.
RJ pay going up puts management between a rock and a hard place. It does not improve the economics of flying those planes at mainline.
Bargaining power and aircraft economics are two different things.
The real question is, how close to that like are we?
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02-18-2019 | 09:08 AM
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No, MGT is holding the line and losing profitable customers. We made money for YEARS flying 104 seat inefficient 737-500's. Both legacies did this. At Continental it was a huge part of our fleet. MGT. is holding the line! They are hoping to convince pilots like you to cut their own throats and cave. They CAN make money if they buy the jets and let us fly it. They are CHOOSING to forgo that profit and the higher paying customers in hopes that we will cave.
02-18-2019 | 09:33 AM
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No, MGT is holding the line and losing profitable customers. We made money for YEARS flying 104 seat inefficient 737-500's. Both legacies did this. At Continental it was a huge part of our fleet. MGT. is holding the line! They are hoping to convince pilots like you to cut their own throats and cave. They CAN make money if they buy the jets and let us fly it. They are CHOOSING to forgo that profit and the higher paying customers in hopes that we will cave.
Nowadays your point carries more weight, with the CASM gap closing due to more efficient SNB engines and rising RJ labor costs. I’d argue the break even point is actually slightly south of neutral or neutral at most, if for nothing more than the lack of quality control you have with a contract carrier.
02-18-2019 | 09:13 PM
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I'm a regional pilot and I pay into those dues. ALPA is supposed to represent ALL of our interests as Pilots - not just yours. HOWEVER - beyond that what you said above MAKES NO SENSE! Your dues don't subsidize a regional. Your company pays that - not you, and not your dues.
Next time you see your MEC Chairman at your regional ask him or her how much your regional pilots pay total dues annually to ALPA versus how much ALPA gives your MEC annually ....
Knowledge is power and you need to go and get it
You pay less than you receive as all Regionals do
FACT
Also
ALPA Does represent your interest
Check you Strike fund from OCF
Check your preferential status when you file your air apps application and check your preferential interview if you are a furlough ALPA member
And I hope you don’t lose your medical because you will find out how much ALPA helps you down at Colorado Springs! Research that too
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