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02-14-2019 | 12:32 PM
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United pays Mesa corporation. Where do you think Mesa comes up with all this money to pay their pilots in overtime and bonuses? Where do you think AirWhiskey and other regionals come up with money to pay these bonuses to their pilots? It’s coming from United.
02-14-2019 | 12:42 PM
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You are clearly ignorant of how "Fee for Departure" works.
02-14-2019 | 12:57 PM
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In theory, you are absolutely correct.
But these regional "airlines" are little more than outsourced staffing agencies. If the model is not working, the work is either not performed and the agency is fired, or the customer (in this case the major airline) coughs up a larger fee.
Considering that the RJ pilot shortage is industry wide and it also seems obvious that the major airlines are onboard with keeping the RJs flying, the major airlines are ultimately paying for it one way or the other.
But these regional "airlines" are little more than outsourced staffing agencies. If the model is not working, the work is either not performed and the agency is fired, or the customer (in this case the major airline) coughs up a larger fee.
Considering that the RJ pilot shortage is industry wide and it also seems obvious that the major airlines are onboard with keeping the RJs flying, the major airlines are ultimately paying for it one way or the other.
02-14-2019 | 01:13 PM
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United routinely bails out the regional carriers and helps them out with recruiting etc. See also: CPP, renewing non performing carriers, capital investments in carriers, signing bonuses, information sharing, etc
02-14-2019 | 03:21 PM
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All true. United keeps non-performing regionals around because it keeps the whipsaw thriving. Mesa and C5 have a history of poor performance and questionable pilot training programs. None of that matters when you are the cheapest product. Pax deserve a consistent, reliable and safe product.
02-14-2019 | 03:26 PM
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In theory, you are absolutely correct.
But these regional "airlines" are little more than outsourced staffing agencies. If the model is not working, the work is either not performed and the agency is fired, or the customer (in this case the major airline) coughs up a larger fee.
Considering that the RJ pilot shortage is industry wide and it also seems obvious that the major airlines are onboard with keeping the RJs flying, the major airlines are ultimately paying for it one way or the other.
But these regional "airlines" are little more than outsourced staffing agencies. If the model is not working, the work is either not performed and the agency is fired, or the customer (in this case the major airline) coughs up a larger fee.
Considering that the RJ pilot shortage is industry wide and it also seems obvious that the major airlines are onboard with keeping the RJs flying, the major airlines are ultimately paying for it one way or the other.
Management realized that they can’t get their crappy/cheap bankruptcy RFP/FPD rates anymore and would have to cough up more, WAY MORE, than what they were paying.
The end result is the crappy regional now has the money to offer the bonuses/premium pay rates to keep the planes moving.
And in turn, the regional takes less hits for controllable CX’s and delays, etc....
02-17-2019 | 08:52 AM
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Pretty much this^^^^^
Management realized that they can’t get their crappy/cheap bankruptcy RFP/FPD rates anymore and would have to cough up more, WAY MORE, than what they were paying.
The end result is the crappy regional now has the money to offer the bonuses/premium pay rates to keep the planes moving.
And in turn, the regional takes less hits for controllable CX’s and delays, etc....
Management realized that they can’t get their crappy/cheap bankruptcy RFP/FPD rates anymore and would have to cough up more, WAY MORE, than what they were paying.
The end result is the crappy regional now has the money to offer the bonuses/premium pay rates to keep the planes moving.
And in turn, the regional takes less hits for controllable CX’s and delays, etc....
02-17-2019 | 09:12 AM
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the subsidizing of labor that it outsourced hurts the profession. In addition, our dues dollars go towards subsidzing the very competition (regionals) that are taking our revenue stream.
How is it ethical for ALPA to allow dues money from Delta and United MEC's to be used against us to take revenue from us?
02-17-2019 | 09:14 AM
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All true. United keeps non-performing regionals around because it keeps the whipsaw thriving. Mesa and C5 have a history of poor performance and questionable pilot training programs. None of that matters when you are the cheapest product. Pax deserve a consistent, reliable and safe product.
02-17-2019 | 09:15 AM
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The best part of this is that the regionals cost advantage is eroding, and the argument to bring more flying back to mainline is starting to make financial sense. Having to pay more to outsource flying to subcontractors will make adding a SNB to mainline more attractive.
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