Bluewaffle

did you even read it? Nowhere did he say scope relief was just a matter of time.

AxlF16

OK - so NOW I know how this thread got so long

I thought we ALL agreed that the sun rises in the east, the earth is round, gravity is the law, and that we SHOULD NEVER GIVE UP SCOPE?!?!

FollowMe

Floyd

I think we should cut him some slack. How else do they spend time in the office but eat Cheetos and whip out the mantra.

Flytolive

Obviously, you didn't, at least not very well.

"That said, you know, regardless where we end up on scope, and I believe we'll eventually have a competitive scope deal..." Scott Kirby

AxlF16

Firstly, they don't have to replace any current 50 seaters - they can just add more. The number is limited by the number of single aisle mainline jets. I'm not sure of the exact number, but i doubt we are anywhere close to the max # of 50 seaters allowed.

Secondly, they ARE limited in the number of 76 seaters as well as the combined number of 70 & 76 seaters. Since they are at the max numbers already, they have to remove current 70 seaters from the UEX fleet in order to add the 25 recently purchased E175s (going to Expressjet configured with 70 seats). The CRJ700s being removed from the UEX fleet are going to be recertified & reconfigured as 50 seaters. Brilliant....Brilliant I tell you!

When I first read this I assumed it was the companies way to 'get around' our scope, but now I don't think that's the case. This will be a niche aircraft that will serve a specific purpose, but I WON'T alleviate the need for additional E175 size airframes and it certainly won't help fill the 100-110 seat gap. IMO, they could very well see a need for this frankenjet even if they added a 110 seat jet to mainline & got the resulting 70 additional 76 seaters.

Itsajob

I don’t see it as a bad thing either. More 70+ seat rj’s is what the company wants and they’re currently maxed out. The only way that they will get them is if:
1. We cave on scope (not going to happen)
2. We fly 70 seaters at mainline (not going to happen)
3. They add another fleet type to mainline allowing more rj’s like Delta did (this could happen)

While we wait for the negotiating process to play out they can utilize the 550 without violating scope. It doesn’t give them what they really want and it doesn’t erode our negotiating leverage. If they can provide a better product and generate more revenue while we wait, then so be it. We’re in the best position that we’ve been in years to stand firm on scope. I’m willing to wait for the right contract. Until then, this one is pretty good.

Gone Flying

IMO, they could very well see a need for this frankenjet even if they added a 110 seat jet to mainline & got the resulting 70 additional 76 seaters.[/QUOTE]

im not at UAL but I thought your contract said the only planes that could raise the 76 seat limit are E190, E195, and CS100 (A220-100). I dont think putting 100 seats in an a319 would not allow them to add 76 seat jets

AxlF16

You are correct. For each 1.25 New Small Narrow Body they add to mainline they can add an additional 76 seat aircraft to UEX - up to 70 additional. A NSNB is defined as a E190, E195, or CS100. Some other things change I'd they go above current 76 seater numbers as well (e.g. allowable number of 50 seaters shrink).

jdt30

im not at UAL but I thought your contract said the only planes that could raise the 76 seat limit are E190, E195, and CS100 (A220-100). I dont think putting 100 seats in an a319 would not allow them to add 76 seat jets[/QUOTE]

Why don’t you come on over. You seem to know our contract more than most people that fly here.😄