10-2 and U. What the contract says.
02-27-2019 | 09:26 AM
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Gotcha
That's like being senior and bidding the 777. And then being senior enough to hold Narita trips. But, the company decides to withhold the senior Narita trips and "hide them." it's the same principle....Now you get forced into some stupid domestic trip instead. Then, later, company decides to let pilots have the Narita trips. Too late, you can't trip trade, your illegal for it and your commuter trips to and from are all screwed up and the hotel you use for commuting is booked up. blah blah blah.
Only way to protect seniority is to protect the integrity of the bidding process.
Company wants free sim time open and available? sure, NP. Do it after midnight and til 6 AM. problem solved.
That's like being senior and bidding the 777. And then being senior enough to hold Narita trips. But, the company decides to withhold the senior Narita trips and "hide them." it's the same principle....Now you get forced into some stupid domestic trip instead. Then, later, company decides to let pilots have the Narita trips. Too late, you can't trip trade, your illegal for it and your commuter trips to and from are all screwed up and the hotel you use for commuting is booked up. blah blah blah.
Only way to protect seniority is to protect the integrity of the bidding process.
Company wants free sim time open and available? sure, NP. Do it after midnight and til 6 AM. problem solved.
02-27-2019 | 09:30 AM
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Does the company publish a daily sim period schedule for all to see?
Does the company publish a non used sim period schedule of free or available and unused unscheduled sim time as well?
Any stats on "no shows" or sick calls for the later o-dark thirty sim periods?
Does the company publish a non used sim period schedule of free or available and unused unscheduled sim time as well?
Any stats on "no shows" or sick calls for the later o-dark thirty sim periods?
02-27-2019 | 10:01 AM
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This practice is also starting to affect new hires. They are asking for hotels before the sim to make sure they are rested prior to training. I don't know yet how this will play out. Stay tuned.
Joe, thanks for posting this and letting us all know.
Dave
Joe, thanks for posting this and letting us all know.
Dave
02-27-2019 | 10:04 AM
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02-27-2019 | 10:10 AM
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I think you could officially call this trying to intimidate the NH's into accepting an illegal assignment by either not knowing the contract, or not wanting to rock the boat. Either way, we are short capacity, and creative scheduling is ensuing.
02-27-2019 | 01:12 PM
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No training committee member on our National committee has said this is a dead issue. The committee is meeting regularly with the FTC management and has expressed the unions displeasure with this new policy of”slide periods”. What is dead is the fact that we can’t change this in the short term while the grievance process plays out.
DAL does not train 0200-0600. they use to have an E period where you went into the box at 2330-0330. Only authorized for west coast domiciled pilots and new hires. That time might be a little earlier now that the 20 min of dead time between sim periods is gone.
Just the facts
DAL does not train 0200-0600. they use to have an E period where you went into the box at 2330-0330. Only authorized for west coast domiciled pilots and new hires. That time might be a little earlier now that the 20 min of dead time between sim periods is gone.
Just the facts
02-27-2019 | 04:15 PM
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Yeah I was told midnight to 04:00. But hey 03:30 is close enough. Both qualify as all night in my book. The whole point of my PDR was that after about 24:00 effective learning pretty much comes to a halt and 02:00 debriefs are a total waste of time. This is a safety issue.
02-27-2019 | 04:19 PM
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Yeah I was told midnight to 04:00. But hey 03:30 is close enough. Both qualify as all night in my book. The whole point of my PDR was that after about 24:00 effective learning pretty much comes to a halt and 02:00 debriefs are a total waste of time. This is a safety issue.
02-27-2019 | 06:53 PM
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Yeah Eastern time zone folks who fly in the day of are invariably zombies for these late sims.
02-27-2019 | 08:29 PM
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Yeah I was told midnight to 04:00. But hey 03:30 is close enough. Both qualify as all night in my book. The whole point of my PDR was that after about 24:00 effective learning pretty much comes to a halt and 02:00 debriefs are a total waste of time. This is a safety issue.
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