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03-04-2019, 02:30 PM
#41
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Those turnover numbers are astounding. I was hired when BK was in charge and never heard of anything like this. I don't know if I just didn't hear about it then or if things changed in the selection process.
Either way, I don't think anyone else fires nearly that many newhires.
Either way, I don't think anyone else fires nearly that many newhires.
03-04-2019, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
AQP LCA I had last week said there is a 60% new hire retrain rate. An unusual number are requiring 60+ hrs of IOE and averaging 4 probationary pilots a week meeting review board to see if they are to be retained.
03-04-2019, 05:52 PM
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If this "retrain" rate is true then it's higher than anytime in the history of UAL. This includes when we used to have to "build" the airplane through orals and such.
Basically I have a really hard time believing those numbers and would ask what "retrain" means and how many are unable to complete in the required number of hours.
The FAA does monitor all approved training programs and when the recheck, exceeding hours required and other "retraining" issue happen they put the program under the microscope. The FAA also has the opportunity/ability to step in and take over the program if it is having problems.
Again, especially considering the experience level of today's new hires, I really have difficulty believing this. The LCA probably heard it from a F/A who's boyfriend/significant other/husband/wife told them.
Basically I have a really hard time believing those numbers and would ask what "retrain" means and how many are unable to complete in the required number of hours.
The FAA does monitor all approved training programs and when the recheck, exceeding hours required and other "retraining" issue happen they put the program under the microscope. The FAA also has the opportunity/ability to step in and take over the program if it is having problems.
Again, especially considering the experience level of today's new hires, I really have difficulty believing this. The LCA probably heard it from a F/A who's boyfriend/significant other/husband/wife told them.
03-04-2019, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
If this "retrain" rate is true then it's higher than anytime in the history of UAL. This includes when we used to have to "build" the airplane through orals and such.
Basically I have a really hard time believing those numbers and would ask what "retrain" means and how many are unable to complete in the required number of hours.
The FAA does monitor all approved training programs and when the recheck, exceeding hours required and other "retraining" issue happen they put the program under the microscope. The FAA also has the opportunity/ability to step in and take over the program if it is having problems.
Again, especially considering the experience level of today's new hires, I really have difficulty believing this. The LCA probably heard it from a F/A who's boyfriend/significant other/husband/wife told them.
Basically I have a really hard time believing those numbers and would ask what "retrain" means and how many are unable to complete in the required number of hours.
The FAA does monitor all approved training programs and when the recheck, exceeding hours required and other "retraining" issue happen they put the program under the microscope. The FAA also has the opportunity/ability to step in and take over the program if it is having problems.
Again, especially considering the experience level of today's new hires, I really have difficulty believing this. The LCA probably heard it from a F/A who's boyfriend/significant other/husband/wife told them.
03-05-2019, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
If this "retrain" rate is true then it's higher than anytime in the history of UAL. This includes when we used to have to "build" the airplane through orals and such.
Basically I have a really hard time believing those numbers and would ask what "retrain" means and how many are unable to complete in the required number of hours.
The FAA does monitor all approved training programs and when the recheck, exceeding hours required and other "retraining" issue happen they put the program under the microscope. The FAA also has the opportunity/ability to step in and take over the program if it is having problems.
Again, especially considering the experience level of today's new hires, I really have difficulty believing this. The LCA probably heard it from a F/A who's boyfriend/significant other/husband/wife told them.
Basically I have a really hard time believing those numbers and would ask what "retrain" means and how many are unable to complete in the required number of hours.
The FAA does monitor all approved training programs and when the recheck, exceeding hours required and other "retraining" issue happen they put the program under the microscope. The FAA also has the opportunity/ability to step in and take over the program if it is having problems.
Again, especially considering the experience level of today's new hires, I really have difficulty believing this. The LCA probably heard it from a F/A who's boyfriend/significant other/husband/wife told them.
03-05-2019, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
It means that 60% are requiring a repeat of at least one training event. While high, I don’t find that number unbelievable.
It’s when it becomes a repetitive pattern in the trainees performance and has to be kicked up to a higher level that it becomes something to worry about.
03-05-2019, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Sadly, a bigger chunk of them are coming from a specific subset.
Sad considering how many of the good ones we shot down, just because....
Sad considering how many of the good ones we shot down, just because....
What’s worse are the deniers that will come on here and emphatically repudiate this well known but buried topic.
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