737 MAX grounded
03-13-2019, 12:40 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by awax
This part of Boeing’s press release reeks of caving to media panic, not evidence taken from the investigation of either accident.
Those in political leadership positions around the world aren't really interested in an investigation that may take some time to complete and publish. They are more concerned about caution and prudence.
Investigations are designed to do two things: assign blame, influence change/improvement.
There is no down-side to grounding the jets as a cautionary measure. Sure there will be revenue loss. But, there is something up with the jet and everyone knows it. If we don't ground the jet and another one plows in, then everyone will be pointing the finger at the FAA (who certified the jet), Boeing (who made the jet), and the President (who has the power to ground it).
Too many other countries grounded it, so we couldn't fly it anywhere other than domestically. We've got plenty of RJ's for that.
03-13-2019, 12:42 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Setopbug
Both flights radioed a flight control malfunction. From what I've heard of Canada's review of the ADS-C tracks, they mirrored one another.
And we know that a single channel AOA failure will result in a false stall condition being sensed, resulting in MCAS running the trim forward.
So, the stall warning is going off, the shaker is shaking and the GPWS is screaming. You've got unreliable airspeed and anywhere from 75 to 120 pounds of forward yoke pressure.
Once past the startle effect, you find a third hand to reach over and hit the pitch trim cutout switches.
Now, one of us is going to have to deploy the little handle and trim
against excessive air loads while we keep the airplane from diving into the ground.
Perfectly safe airplane, I'm sure you'd have no problem handling it.
And we know that a single channel AOA failure will result in a false stall condition being sensed, resulting in MCAS running the trim forward.
So, the stall warning is going off, the shaker is shaking and the GPWS is screaming. You've got unreliable airspeed and anywhere from 75 to 120 pounds of forward yoke pressure.
Once past the startle effect, you find a third hand to reach over and hit the pitch trim cutout switches.
Now, one of us is going to have to deploy the little handle and trim
against excessive air loads while we keep the airplane from diving into the ground.
Perfectly safe airplane, I'm sure you'd have no problem handling it.
Or you could just use the trim switch in your left hand, trim the nose up until there is no control pressure, and the in the 5 seconds before the MCAS starts to slowly trim back down, call for the FO to flip the cutout switches.
I’m not at all convinced this is another MCAS accident. Every 737 pilot should be spring loaded to react correctly to an AOA malfunction resulting in an MCAS activation after the Lion accident. Especially in day VFR conditions.
I’ll be surprised if there isn’t more to the story. Even having no idea the system was in place, the Lion crew on the previous flight controlled the jet and... shockingly... continued to destination.
03-13-2019, 12:44 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Up7997
I can get over grounding the max for a bit. But what I can’t get over is the FAA. Stop being so concerned about checking my medical/license and all the other bull**** things and next time there is a secret flight control change made, don’t sign off on it and don’t tell us about it! These inspectors involved should be fired!!!
03-13-2019, 02:17 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer
Anyone have a list of all nose numbers. The UAL app is not reliable for giving the correct 737 that is being flown. I believe it does say 737 MAX if it is annotated on the app?
I have a -900 i'm suppose to commute on today, so want to make sure of zero surprises. Thanks!
I have a -900 i'm suppose to commute on today, so want to make sure of zero surprises. Thanks!
Here's an unofficial website, although seemingly very accurate, listing all the UAL aircraft:
https://sites.google.com/site/united...fleet-tracking
03-13-2019, 02:29 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer
Anyone have a list of all nose numbers. The UAL app is not reliable for giving the correct 737 that is being flown. I believe it does say 737 MAX if it is annotated on the app?
I have a -900 i'm suppose to commute on today, so want to make sure of zero surprises. Thanks!
I have a -900 i'm suppose to commute on today, so want to make sure of zero surprises. Thanks!
The -900 is a 737-900. It is not a Max 9. A Max 9 should be listed on the United App as something like a 737 Max 9.
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03-13-2019, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by HuskerAv8tor
For ** sake he did what 40 other countries did. I don’t agree with the decision but maybe some of you morons can dispense with the political nonsense.
i take it your with the commies pretending to be socilaists then?
Considering the track record of these loonies, your walking a thin judgemental line.
03-13-2019, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
You call 8000 hrs low time?
Young maybe but you don’t need to be old and white to be a competent pilot.
Because that’s really what you meant isn’t it?
Young maybe but you don’t need to be old and white to be a competent pilot.
Because that’s really what you meant isn’t it?
good, tanks for bringing RACISM into it.
you should think about easing off cNN now that the impeachment is being run by the freshman socialists.
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