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04-24-2019 | 05:48 AM

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I tuned into this forum to see if there would be a loud groan over the new paint and instead there’s barely a yawn. Where’s all that internet complaining?

Here’s one thing I have never understood about commercial aviation, the passenger seats? How, with all the modern high tech and research available they keep making seats that hurt your back, cut off blood flow and make a 30 minute flight seem like an eternity?

It seems like a no brainer to me to at least add some lower lumbar support.

Oh this is about the paint job on the airplanes.

04-24-2019 | 07:05 AM

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Nice looking Nacelle.

Now show me the money.

04-24-2019 | 07:25 AM

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Can we make sure this paint job bafoonery comes out of management's profit sharing and not ours? How much is this going to cost us? New uniforms, new paint jobs....It's like we got money to burn??

Am I missing something Captain Obvious?

So when we get new planes the next few years, should we leave them primer to save money. Should we let the ones with paint falling off just look terrible?
The thousands of new hires over the next 10 years should pay for their own uniform?
They aren’t lining up at the paint shop next week to paint the fleet.
The same money was going out.

04-24-2019 | 08:34 AM

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He never even implied that new hires should pay for their uniforms. The beef is that we’ve already spent unnecessary millions rebranding our current uniform. All we needed was to provide better fabric and a vendor that could meet demand.

04-24-2019 | 08:47 AM

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You have a degree in fashion supply management? Please share your expertise of blends that would go better and supply chain vendors more suited for the change. Or are you just complaining because you’re generally unhappy. I was hired to be a pilot. Not anything else. Crybaby culture alive and well in America.

04-24-2019 | 09:13 AM

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Relax! He only minored in Fashion Supply Management. His major was Musical Theater History.

04-24-2019 | 09:18 AM

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What's hilarious about the paint job is this reminds me of a Simpson's episode where Mr Burns has a contest for kids to re-design his nuclear power plant. Even though its only for kids, Homer enters. The designs are all unique except for Homer's, which is just the existing plant with a racing stripe down the cooling tower.

Mr Burns immediately declares him the winner.

04-24-2019 | 10:15 AM

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The thousands of new hires over the next 10 years should pay for their own uniform?

Back in the day as a NH I had to pay for:

Uniform.
All living expenses while in training.
And there wasn't a refundable cleaning expense.

You all need to thank an ALPA rep for stepping up and negotiating these things. They did not come out of the goodness of a corporate heart.

And yes if a plain grey airplane with an N-number was all that was needed then the airplanes would be painted in such a way.

Good paint is a marketing tool and adds money to the coffers.

Here's some bad ideas (and yes they are real)
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-...o-fails-2014-1

04-24-2019 | 11:04 AM

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Aircraft painting seems like such a waste of usable cash. Who notices? Certainly not the passengers. When I worked for Modern, they only painted one side of the 7's and 049's. Seemed sufficient.

04-24-2019 | 11:20 AM

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Aircraft painting seems like such a waste of usable cash. Who notices? Certainly not the passengers. When I worked for Modern, they only painted one side of the 7's and 049's. Seemed sufficient.

"While the lighter weight of a polished [non-painted] plane saves fuel costs, the savings are more than offset by the higher cost of washing, polishing and painting a polished fuselage throughout its service life," says Boeing. The maintenance of polished planes is said to cost S$82,000 more per year than fully painted planes.”

“On average, our aircraft receive new paint jobs every seven years. The first aircraft painted with the new design is a Boeing 737-800, which will be joined by a mix of narrowbody, widebody and regional aircraft with the next livery throughout the year.”