United A-319 Emergency return to EWR
06-30-2019 | 08:20 AM
#21
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Gotta be honest I’m not a UAL guy... but it blows my mind how easily people judge the actions and efforts of others. Chances are the “big cheese” in a 320 at UAL has decades of experience in both seats and probably in the Airbus... he or she made the best decision at the time given the information and set of circumstances in front of him (or her). Getting into a falice measuring contest on APC solves nothing and furthermore none of us will ever learn from it by having a conversation on here WITHOUT ANY FACTUAL INFORMATION. They don’t hand out 320 type ratings and UAL captains wings at Walmart...this was more than likely the best decision and that particular moment. Yes pilot error is the real deal and can snow ball into loss of hull or worse human lives. Statistically...emergencies in the good ole US of A have good outcomes... because of experience and high levels of training..EVERYONE walked away... the rest is poppycock...
06-30-2019 | 09:06 AM
#22
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From: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Gotta be honest I’m not a UAL guy... but it blows my mind how easily people judge the actions and efforts of others. Chances are the “big cheese” in a 320 at UAL has decades of experience in both seats and probably in the Airbus... he or she made the best decision at the time given the information and set of circumstances in front of him (or her). Getting into a falice measuring contest on APC solves nothing and furthermore none of us will ever learn from it by having a conversation on here WITHOUT ANY FACTUAL INFORMATION. They don’t hand out 320 type ratings and UAL captains wings at Walmart...this was more than likely the best decision and that particular moment. Yes pilot error is the real deal and can snow ball into loss of hull or worse human lives. Statistically...emergencies in the good ole US of A have good outcomes... because of experience and high levels of training..EVERYONE walked away... the rest is poppycock...
06-30-2019 | 02:24 PM
#23
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Sure There's a longstanding tradition where nobody will ever question your decision to evacuate. Because we don't want the whole question of:
"Holy crud, I had a missed trip three months ago and I think my chief pilot hates me. If I order an evacuation and it turns out I'm wrong, am I going to be fired?"
...to ever be part of one of our pilot's decision making calculus. Perhaps "freebie" isn't the best adjective. But flight ops management will approach an evacuation after the fact with a very careful and reasoned response that doesn't include you losing your job.
That's not to say any of us wouldn't be extremely careful about evaluating the conditions correctly when making an assessment about whether it's safer to be inside or outside the jet. But nobody you work for will second guess your decision.
Your peers are a whole different matter, as evidenced by just about everything on this message board.
*Alliegiant is a whole different animal.
"Holy crud, I had a missed trip three months ago and I think my chief pilot hates me. If I order an evacuation and it turns out I'm wrong, am I going to be fired?"
...to ever be part of one of our pilot's decision making calculus. Perhaps "freebie" isn't the best adjective. But flight ops management will approach an evacuation after the fact with a very careful and reasoned response that doesn't include you losing your job.
That's not to say any of us wouldn't be extremely careful about evaluating the conditions correctly when making an assessment about whether it's safer to be inside or outside the jet. But nobody you work for will second guess your decision.
Your peers are a whole different matter, as evidenced by just about everything on this message board.
*Alliegiant is a whole different animal.
06-30-2019 | 02:28 PM
#24
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Fingers type faster than my teeny brain. Thanks for keeping me honest.
And yes, I'm an airline pilot. Thanks for that.
07-01-2019 | 02:59 AM
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From: Airbus 320 Right Seat
Agree with what many said already , don’t know any facts to make a educated backseat stance in this incident ,
However , if there was a remote chance of needing to evacuate they did the right thing , you know how long it would have taken a ops crew to bring hard stand stairs to that aircraft !?!? 30 mins at best . Nothing happens fast there .. people would have been stuck on that airport for a long time . With the rims half gone and smoke coming out of them ... off of that picture alone I feel the right call was made ... always risk involved in evacuating, sure we all know that. However god forbid they waited for stairs and a fire started and 1 person died .... 100 times worse ...
However , if there was a remote chance of needing to evacuate they did the right thing , you know how long it would have taken a ops crew to bring hard stand stairs to that aircraft !?!? 30 mins at best . Nothing happens fast there .. people would have been stuck on that airport for a long time . With the rims half gone and smoke coming out of them ... off of that picture alone I feel the right call was made ... always risk involved in evacuating, sure we all know that. However god forbid they waited for stairs and a fire started and 1 person died .... 100 times worse ...
07-01-2019 | 08:15 AM
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Agree with what many said already , don’t know any facts to make a educated backseat stance in this incident ,
However , if there was a remote chance of needing to evacuate they did the right thing , you know how long it would have taken a ops crew to bring hard stand stairs to that aircraft !?!? 30 mins at best . Nothing happens fast there .. people would have been stuck on that airport for a long time . With the rims half gone and smoke coming out of them ... off of that picture alone I feel the right call was made ... always risk involved in evacuating, sure we all know that. However god forbid they waited for stairs and a fire started and 1 person died .... 100 times worse ...
However , if there was a remote chance of needing to evacuate they did the right thing , you know how long it would have taken a ops crew to bring hard stand stairs to that aircraft !?!? 30 mins at best . Nothing happens fast there .. people would have been stuck on that airport for a long time . With the rims half gone and smoke coming out of them ... off of that picture alone I feel the right call was made ... always risk involved in evacuating, sure we all know that. However god forbid they waited for stairs and a fire started and 1 person died .... 100 times worse ...
07-02-2019 | 09:07 AM
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From: Airbus 320 Right Seat
Def impressive ... i didn’t catch that in the video . I was looking for clowns jump down slides with their luggage, which I ll happily say was nearly zero.
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