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07-28-2019, 08:28 PM
#51
Get me outta here...
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: Boeing right seat
Posts: 1,541
Originally Posted by Airhoss
Yeah new F/Os have high mins too. Take a look see in the FOM.
I wrote an FSAP/PDR (can't recall which or if I did both) on this entire "FO with less than 100 hour" restrictions a few months ago.
I was impressed at how quickly it was elevated and how fast the union AND the company got back to me. Capt Weigand himself answered it. He agreed that it was not a good practice, but that it was being mandated by the FAA. He did address that the company wanted to get rid of a lot of it (as per my suggestion) and they would work with United's new FAA rep to make that happen.
07-28-2019, 10:36 PM
#52
Squawking 2000
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: Skeptical
Posts: 737
Originally Posted by HuggyU2
And much of what it restricts is dumber than dirt.
I could fly into ORD or EWR, NRT or LHR, but should I be at the controls of an airplane going into the Bravo airspace I have flown in more than any other in my life, apparently everyone was going to die.
Go figure.
07-29-2019, 06:25 AM
#53
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 373
This stuff always cracks me up. Who cares. If the FAA deemed it a good idea for you to get a 100 hrs in type before landing in SFO then so be it. I was a captain at my previous Job and because I flew the 190 as an FO I was allowed to be paired up with a Newhire FO, who by the way had only flown the C-421 before he was hired. It sort of sucked. That was my first trip as a capt and his first trip as an FO (besides IOE). I will take high mins and no green on green all day everyday. Check your egos and let it go maybe you will learn something.
07-29-2019, 10:42 PM
#55
Get me outta here...
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: Boeing right seat
Posts: 1,541
Originally Posted by 82spukram
Who cares.
Which is why I PDR/FSAP'd it.
Having the company/union/FAA acting on it would not affect me... but maybe it would improve the operation down the road.
Please... carry one.
07-30-2019, 08:04 AM
#57
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 621
Originally Posted by Winston
Although I just recently transitioned to the 777, I’ve been an airline pilot for 16 years and for the vast majority of that time I have been based in SFO. In that time I’ve flown a turboprop, regional jet, 737, and now on a 777 (over 15k hours total at this point)... but for the first couple months the FAA deemed that I was now unsafe to land in SFO.
I could fly into ORD or EWR, NRT or LHR, but should I be at the controls of an airplane going into the Bravo airspace I have flown in more than any other in my life, apparently everyone was going to die.
Go figure.
I could fly into ORD or EWR, NRT or LHR, but should I be at the controls of an airplane going into the Bravo airspace I have flown in more than any other in my life, apparently everyone was going to die.
Go figure.
07-30-2019, 08:23 AM
#58
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 783
Originally Posted by CALFO
What’s is equally as nonsensical is Captain high minimums. A high min capt will have just completed weeks of intense simulator training shooting multiple cat 3 approaches. A 20 year captain has flown perhaps one or two a year for the past 20 years. Who is better qualified to fly the approach? Also, why send force a newly minted capt to perform a go around and divert to an outstation (statistically a much riskier proposal).
The number of hours is arbitrary but it is a big job and anything that gives a buffer should be welcomed IMO. The adding distance to minimums is dumb but I see it as them recognizing a situation that takes skill to do tactfully.
07-30-2019, 09:30 AM
#59
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 69
Originally Posted by Nucflash
New hires went directly to ORD on the “panel”.......do not pass go, do not collect $200.....
Back then one made a “base trade” by waiting for the new hire class to drive into the TK parking lot. I found one who wanted Denver, and told him to bid panel ORD and I would trade with him. He did and I got to Chicago before I left TK.
07-30-2019, 10:03 AM
#60
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: Airbus 320 Right Seat
Posts: 1,440
Originally Posted by Aquaticus
As a new captain your also finding your feet as a leader and your first couple trips off ioe are usually Murphy's law in action. Flying is the easy part compared to the odd drama that comes up. When your stressed, late, and all these external forces are pushing you to go faster faster ...
The number of hours is arbitrary but it is a big job and anything that gives a buffer should be welcomed IMO. The adding distance to minimums is dumb but I see it as them recognizing a situation that takes skill to do tactfully.
The number of hours is arbitrary but it is a big job and anything that gives a buffer should be welcomed IMO. The adding distance to minimums is dumb but I see it as them recognizing a situation that takes skill to do tactfully.
Agree , just ask the (new to the Airbus) captain first trip off OE that lost an engine in pour weather also with a brand new FO. Also did a go around on the first attempted landing .(uncertain of why on the last part)
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