UPRT?
#22
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#23
I found the training, for the most part, to be well done. However, as an Airbus driver, there are specifics to this fleet that could be emphasized (ie sidestick priority). My understanding of the Air France A330 crash was that one pilot was commanding full aft stick while the other pilot was attempting to recover by pushing forward on the stick and didn’t take priority. Not a factor in a Boeing since you can see what the other person is doing as far as control inputs. Just something to consider. A critique was submitted on my part.
#25
I came to ask you guys another question but as far as UPRT scenarios, blame it on your partner next to you... that's how you got there.
Captain pulled 1 too many CBs and the FO had a startled approach to flying a perfectly good airplane.
https://youtu.be/nD4pmT3Urxk
And AF447 imagine being the Captain being called off break to find the mess he found in the cockpit. Again a airplane that had a indicator issue but was perfectly fine to fly... until you go full aft stick for a while.
Captain pulled 1 too many CBs and the FO had a startled approach to flying a perfectly good airplane.
https://youtu.be/nD4pmT3Urxk
And AF447 imagine being the Captain being called off break to find the mess he found in the cockpit. Again a airplane that had a indicator issue but was perfectly fine to fly... until you go full aft stick for a while.
#26
It had a whole lot more wrong than "an indicator issue".
That is not to say the guy flying was an idiot, but they were getting contradictory information (and a cacophony of racket from *****ing Betty) from the onset of the pitot's icing over to the point of impact. There was a lot going on. It was dark and they were in pretty significant turb, having jammed their widebody into a radar shadow. Ronin picked a bad night to whip out his disgrace of the base super-stick skills.
That is not to say the guy flying was an idiot, but they were getting contradictory information (and a cacophony of racket from *****ing Betty) from the onset of the pitot's icing over to the point of impact. There was a lot going on. It was dark and they were in pretty significant turb, having jammed their widebody into a radar shadow. Ronin picked a bad night to whip out his disgrace of the base super-stick skills.
Last edited by oldmako; 08-15-2019 at 06:11 AM.
#27
Nothing new was presented, and at least one thing was dumbed-down a bit... though I do understand the logic behind it.
Additionally, the sim is quite limiting in what it can realistically simulate. I did a UPRT course in 2014 that was flown in a Saberliner. We flew it to some pretty extreme attitudes and I enjoyed that. Talking to pilots that hadn't done much of that kind of flying, they said doing it in the actual jet is very eye-opening and worthwhile.
It was good to fly the maneuvers: they should be practiced periodically.
And if pilots without "upside-down time" find it beneficial, UAL should continue to incorporate it into every sim session we do. The sim time is usually available on our 9-month refreshers.
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It was good, but I wouldn't call it "the best training I've ever had" by any stretch. (Don't misunderstand me: I thought it was well done.)
Nothing new was presented, and at least one thing was dumbed-down a bit... though I do understand the logic behind it.
Additionally, the sim is quite limiting in what it can realistically simulate. I did a UPRT course in 2014 that was flown in a Saberliner. We flew it to some pretty extreme attitudes and I enjoyed that. Talking to pilots that hadn't done much of that kind of flying, they said doing it in the actual jet is very eye-opening and worthwhile.
It was good to fly the maneuvers: they should be practiced periodically.
And if pilots without "upside-down time" find it beneficial, UAL should continue to incorporate it into every sim session we do. The sim time is usually available on our 9-month refreshers.
Nothing new was presented, and at least one thing was dumbed-down a bit... though I do understand the logic behind it.
Additionally, the sim is quite limiting in what it can realistically simulate. I did a UPRT course in 2014 that was flown in a Saberliner. We flew it to some pretty extreme attitudes and I enjoyed that. Talking to pilots that hadn't done much of that kind of flying, they said doing it in the actual jet is very eye-opening and worthwhile.
It was good to fly the maneuvers: they should be practiced periodically.
And if pilots without "upside-down time" find it beneficial, UAL should continue to incorporate it into every sim session we do. The sim time is usually available on our 9-month refreshers.
It is now included in the CQ events. T or L, I can’t remember which.