Contract talks
12-12-2019 | 05:42 AM
#172
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Would the E195 or E2 satisfy the new SNB language?
12-12-2019 | 08:22 AM
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That’s cause we passed on it first. They even offered to shrink the plane for us. Another win from our management.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-united-talks
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-united-talks
12-12-2019 | 08:32 AM
#175
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Remember that Delta is flying TWO SNB fleets.
Our scope concession was designed to match the fact that Delta got 88 717s while expanding their large RJ fleet. And severely reducing the 50 seaters. We started down that path with Oscar and then...
Please don’t do managements job for them and tell us what we can afford.
Our scope concession was designed to match the fact that Delta got 88 717s while expanding their large RJ fleet. And severely reducing the 50 seaters. We started down that path with Oscar and then...
Please don’t do managements job for them and tell us what we can afford.
12-12-2019 | 08:41 AM
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Possibly. We were asked specifically why we have not gone the NMB route yet. I agree, it is too early to go there, as was stated, we are making progress, just not much.
However my point is that if we were to get to that point, because of the White House, the NMB option is not currently a viable avenue for realistic contractual gains we are looking for.
However, with the announcement of Kirby this morning, I have pretty much lost any hope of getting a contract this next decade--making the NMB argument possibly a bit stronger, but also further off in the future. Scope was being scrutinized before, now it will be under full assault.
However my point is that if we were to get to that point, because of the White House, the NMB option is not currently a viable avenue for realistic contractual gains we are looking for.
However, with the announcement of Kirby this morning, I have pretty much lost any hope of getting a contract this next decade--making the NMB argument possibly a bit stronger, but also further off in the future. Scope was being scrutinized before, now it will be under full assault.
However, my point is, you could have a democrat president, and both branches of the congress full DNC controlled, and 3 members of the NMB all card carrying dem's, and it wouldn't matter.
why? pilots aren't viewed by our government as "labor" in the traditional sense. Ain't no way the government is going to get behind people wanting to strike that make over 400 K a year.
so, we gotta help ourselves.
12-12-2019 | 08:47 AM
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One of the main reasons cited was because it’s adding a new fleet type and there are high costs associated with that. You’d need a large fleet to turn that math around, which is why I’m big on pushing to bring the 175-E2 to mainline. You’d get a much larger fleet with the E2 family than you ever could with the A220.
All this helps the pilot’s case to bring small narrow bodies to mainline by giving the company the economy of scale it needs to makes this successful.
All this helps the pilot’s case to bring small narrow bodies to mainline by giving the company the economy of scale it needs to makes this successful.
12-12-2019 | 08:55 AM
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Remember that Delta is flying TWO SNB fleets.
Our scope concession was designed to match the fact that Delta got 88 717s while expanding their large RJ fleet. And severely reducing the 50 seaters. We started down that path with Oscar and then...
Please don’t do managements job for them and tell us what we can afford.
Our scope concession was designed to match the fact that Delta got 88 717s while expanding their large RJ fleet. And severely reducing the 50 seaters. We started down that path with Oscar and then...
Please don’t do managements job for them and tell us what we can afford.
The 717 is relatively modern. It’s also a relatively modern and out of production plane, which makes it real cheap. It probably has some commonality with other MD products, which delta still flies, making it easier to adopt. AND they became available on the market after southwest bought AirTran.
Fairly unusual circumstance and delta was very smart to take advantage of it.
12-12-2019 | 10:19 AM
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That’s not quite right. Canada’s subsidy of Delta’s order only came after DL purchase second hand 190s, passing on the C-series altogether. Bombardier failed sales strategy put them in a desperate bind that threatened the program, and the Canadian government stepped in to help them out. Basically there’s no evidence that such a subsidy was ever offered to anyone but Delta.
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