United Airlines poised to slash payroll costs
03-22-2020, 04:19 PM
#141
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We make more because we SHOULD. Most of them have a BA or BS and a clean(ish) resume. None of them possess an ATP license in addition to a 4-year degree. None of them spent years building time (while earning peanuts) only after acquiring a VERY expensive credential. None of them (probably) schlepped their carcass all over the globe in the military service of Uncle Sam. None of them have the responsibilities that our crews have. Yes, most of you know this but I am sick of reading comments from those who don't.
Let's not start selling ourselves short (again) the instant the feces begin splattering the fan blades. Let's see what the legislation and ALPA can do for us. And let's not make dicks of ourselves with perceived intransigence in the presence of the lower-paid employees. They already think we're prima donnas.
Any bailout provided by the employees needs to be guaranteed to be repaid with interest.
Let's not start selling ourselves short (again) the instant the feces begin splattering the fan blades. Let's see what the legislation and ALPA can do for us. And let's not make dicks of ourselves with perceived intransigence in the presence of the lower-paid employees. They already think we're prima donnas.
Any bailout provided by the employees needs to be guaranteed to be repaid with interest.
03-22-2020, 05:02 PM
#142
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Originally Posted by Bat Guano
We make more because we SHOULD. Most of them have a BA or BS and a clean(ish) resume. None of them possess an ATP license in addition to a 4-year degree. None of them spent years building time (while earning peanuts) only after acquiring a VERY expensive credential. None of them (probably) schlepped their carcass all over the globe in the military service of Uncle Sam. None of them have the responsibilities that our crews have. Yes, most of you know this but I am sick of reading comments from those who don't.
Let's not start selling ourselves short (again) the instant the feces begin splattering the fan blades. Let's see what the legislation and ALPA can do for us. And let's not make dicks of ourselves with perceived intransigence in the presence of the lower-paid employees. They already think we're prima donnas.
Any bailout provided by the employees needs to be guaranteed to be repaid with interest.
Let's not start selling ourselves short (again) the instant the feces begin splattering the fan blades. Let's see what the legislation and ALPA can do for us. And let's not make dicks of ourselves with perceived intransigence in the presence of the lower-paid employees. They already think we're prima donnas.
Any bailout provided by the employees needs to be guaranteed to be repaid with interest.
03-22-2020, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO
Because they are managed to weather the average downturn and not survive 3 months with nearly zero income. C suites prepared for the most likely economic setback and not the worst possible outcome.
I hope the airlines are required to put aside enough retained earnings to operate without income for 3-6 months in the future. But that has not been the benchmark for institutional financial security up to this point.
People should have 6 months of money set aside because it is far more likely for an individual to lose a job and be unemployed than it is for 100,000 employee, multi, multi billion dollar companies to be suddenly shut down in a mass panic.
Btw, calling this a downturn is akin to calling the Titanic a minor boating accident. This is orders of magnitude worse than the run of the mill recession.
I hope the airlines are required to put aside enough retained earnings to operate without income for 3-6 months in the future. But that has not been the benchmark for institutional financial security up to this point.
People should have 6 months of money set aside because it is far more likely for an individual to lose a job and be unemployed than it is for 100,000 employee, multi, multi billion dollar companies to be suddenly shut down in a mass panic.
Btw, calling this a downturn is akin to calling the Titanic a minor boating accident. This is orders of magnitude worse than the run of the mill recession.
SMH....
03-22-2020, 05:49 PM
#145
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Originally Posted by UASCOMPILOT
Grants...ALPA's call to action bombarded me yesterday to write my senator to plead for Grant's...oh NOT! I love my job but were a corporation it's not the American taxpayers job to give money to greedy executives that could weather this storm...I say no to grants and no to apla for asking for grants...I'll sit home on unemployment
03-22-2020, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
By that measure, we should only train for engine outs at cruise, and never bother practicing V1 cuts! I mean.......what are the chances that that we should ever have to deal with losing one at the WORST possible moment
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03-22-2020, 06:49 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
03-23-2020, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by paulcg77
Wow. Best analysis I've read of this whole shtshow. I wish every single pilot (heck, every single American) read this. It should be required reading.
The problem is Airline CEOs won’t want to limit their compensation, or their ability to enrich the shareholder when they can just have the Worker bees take massive paycuts...... ain’t America great?
03-23-2020, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SAABoroowski
The problem is Airline CEOs won’t want to limit their compensation, or their ability to enrich the shareholder when they can just have the Worker bees take massive paycuts...... ain’t America great?
“Greed is good.”
-Gordon Gecko
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