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Old 09-01-2020 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mrjiggs287
Something I don’t understand...the payroll savings based on furloughing 2850 pilots on the bottom of the list constitutes a savings of $25-30 million per month (avg $140/hr x 70 mpg). If we are burning 25-30 million every day, what does furloughing anyone save?



At $18B cash on hand and a burn of $25M each day, the money runs out in 720 days. That is nearly 2 years. Furloughing 2850 pilots for two years stretches the $18B a little less than a month, right? Or, am I way off on my math?
You can double that number with payroll tax and benefits.

5 billion ish will be the number to declare bankruptcy. Right now its supposedly just over 1 billion loss a month. So we have about a year to stop the bleeding.


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Old 09-01-2020 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by noswapforyou
Long time follower from your friendly Dispatch group. Thought you guys might be interested to know that 155 Dispatchers received their furlough notices today, effective 10/1. Coupled with 22 EO's and the hours-equivalent of 9 voluntary leaves, approximately 35% of the Dispatch Seniority list has been cut. Furloughs go back to January 2013 DOH.
Very sorry to hear. Always enjoyed my "good morning/afternoon/evening" with you guys. Thanks for looking out for us and all that you do. Much respect.
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Old 09-02-2020 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
PDRs are good, but direct to your council email address is better.
Will do. Thanks.
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Old 09-02-2020 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
You can double that number with payroll tax and benefits.

5 billion ish will be the number to declare bankruptcy. Right now its supposedly just over 1 billion loss a month. So we have about a year to stop the bleeding.


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That makes sense to me. I guess my view is a bit narrow and I also did not factor in all the other employee groups. It sucks for all of us and the Pilot group is just one piece of it.
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Old 09-02-2020 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
You can double that number with payroll tax and benefits.

5 billion ish will be the number to declare bankruptcy. Right now its supposedly just over 1 billion loss a month. So we have about a year to stop the bleeding.


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Why 5 Billion? I'm assuming you have to have working capital to get you through the Chapter 11 without getting any more loans since, well, who lends to a Company in BK.... but How long did the last Chapter 11 take? Anyone on property remember!?
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Old 09-02-2020 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cactipilot
Why 5 Billion? I'm assuming you have to have working capital to get you through the Chapter 11 without getting any more loans since, well, who lends to a Company in BK.... but How long did the last Chapter 11 take? Anyone on property remember!?
BK funding is quite common. There are companies that specialize in funding BK plans for large corporations. Very profitable for the lender.
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Old 09-02-2020 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
BK funding is quite common. There are companies that specialize in funding BK plans for large corporations. Very profitable for the lender.
Oh Interesting.... I always figured who wants to pay usurious rates.... when you're already broke....
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Old 09-02-2020 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cactipilot
Oh Interesting.... I always figured who wants to pay usurious rates.... when you're already broke....
Not usury rates, couple of points over prime maybe. Profitable because the MBA's at the bank get to have input into the restructuring plan and of course big fees for underwriting. They get first dibs on clean loans to a stronger company coming out the other side.
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Old 09-02-2020 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
BK funding is quite common. There are companies that specialize in funding BK plans for large corporations. Very profitable for the lender.
https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-...afford-retire/

Start around 14:30 for the meat of it.

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Old 09-02-2020 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
Not usury rates, couple of points over prime maybe. Profitable because the MBA's at the bank get to have input into the restructuring plan and of course big fees for underwriting. They get first dibs on clean loans to a stronger company coming out the other side.
Funded by cuts to labor. What a great system we have......
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