Displacement award published
05-23-2020, 06:42 PM
#4
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: 777FO
Posts: 703
Some initial numbers from the NB side -CA - Total Pre-Bid (Displaced) / Total Post Bid
737 - 2104 (612) / 1837
Bus - 1120 (420) / 917
FO - Total Pre-Bid / Total Post Bid
737 - 1868 / 3011
Bus - 1008 / 2050
So, total number of Bus/737 CAs system wide drops to 2754 from 3224. Total number of Bus/737 FOs system wide goes from 2876 up to 5061. 2307 more NB FOs than CAs after this bid alone, cross your fingers that the next displacement is nowhere near as big. I'm going to slug down some liquid courage and look for my resume while I wait for it to come out.
TheSoCalGuy had a nice post the other day comparing PCs WB targets vs. tentative head counts. Would love to see an update on that with final numbers from this bid, as it will give an idea of how many more NB FOs might result from the next one. Furlough estimate
737 - 2104 (612) / 1837
Bus - 1120 (420) / 917
FO - Total Pre-Bid / Total Post Bid
737 - 1868 / 3011
Bus - 1008 / 2050
So, total number of Bus/737 CAs system wide drops to 2754 from 3224. Total number of Bus/737 FOs system wide goes from 2876 up to 5061. 2307 more NB FOs than CAs after this bid alone, cross your fingers that the next displacement is nowhere near as big. I'm going to slug down some liquid courage and look for my resume while I wait for it to come out.
TheSoCalGuy had a nice post the other day comparing PCs WB targets vs. tentative head counts. Would love to see an update on that with final numbers from this bid, as it will give an idea of how many more NB FOs might result from the next one. Furlough estimate
05-23-2020, 09:36 PM
#7
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: 756 Left Side
Posts: 1,629
Long Post coming up-
Please.. bear with me..
Chess not Checkers.
Company is playing Chess. Please, don't play checkers!
On the 2nd of May, MOAD bid came out.
Min/Max for EWR756 FO was 77.
I'm Displaced.
Laughable.
The company (SK at the top spot) gambled on a decrease of flying or at the worst, status quo. This probably went down some time during the last week of April.. Things were kind of bad. I'll admit. But keep in mind, SK Is a GAMBLER. And we are chips in a way~ (Black Chips!)
A week later,.. adjustment. (anyone ever heard of that before?!)
All of a sudden the Min/Max for EWR756 FO is 217.
hmmm
No longer displaced.
Tonight the award is released (on Memorial Day weekend.. which should INSULT us all)..
So now I'm showing at 231 in Cat and at 65.6%.
But wait- The Min/Max is 217 per the adjustment on the 8th of May.
Will be Displaced again?!
The guy at 100% is actually U259511. A displaced EWR 777 FO.
The company and SK are playing games with us. He's a gambler and he's trying to scare the pilot group while enticing the bottom of the list into E-SRL which just saved him thousands of pilot hours.
Guys & Gals.. start thinking ahead a few steps. The next displacement bid will come out in the next week or so. An adjusted to the overstaffing of this cluster****.. and an adjustment to their fleet/route plan for this Fall and the summer of 2021. Life is coming back slowly.
Do Not Fall into the FEAR
For the bottom 1000-2000 pilots.. understand this. We WILL make your furlough as painful and expense to the company as possible. That is not a threat. Just a statement.
SK is a gambler. When he's at the table, he's playing against the House.. but he's also watching the players around him.
It's not Personal.. it's business.
Stay Strong.
Always
Motch
PS) Know that this will reach the eyes of management and maybe even SK.. not worried. Not Personal, Just Business.
Flame Suit On
Please.. bear with me..
Chess not Checkers.
Company is playing Chess. Please, don't play checkers!
On the 2nd of May, MOAD bid came out.
Min/Max for EWR756 FO was 77.
I'm Displaced.
Laughable.
The company (SK at the top spot) gambled on a decrease of flying or at the worst, status quo. This probably went down some time during the last week of April.. Things were kind of bad. I'll admit. But keep in mind, SK Is a GAMBLER. And we are chips in a way~ (Black Chips!)
A week later,.. adjustment. (anyone ever heard of that before?!)
All of a sudden the Min/Max for EWR756 FO is 217.
hmmm
No longer displaced.
Tonight the award is released (on Memorial Day weekend.. which should INSULT us all)..
So now I'm showing at 231 in Cat and at 65.6%.
But wait- The Min/Max is 217 per the adjustment on the 8th of May.
Will be Displaced again?!
The guy at 100% is actually U259511. A displaced EWR 777 FO.
The company and SK are playing games with us. He's a gambler and he's trying to scare the pilot group while enticing the bottom of the list into E-SRL which just saved him thousands of pilot hours.
Guys & Gals.. start thinking ahead a few steps. The next displacement bid will come out in the next week or so. An adjusted to the overstaffing of this cluster****.. and an adjustment to their fleet/route plan for this Fall and the summer of 2021. Life is coming back slowly.
Do Not Fall into the FEAR
For the bottom 1000-2000 pilots.. understand this. We WILL make your furlough as painful and expense to the company as possible. That is not a threat. Just a statement.
SK is a gambler. When he's at the table, he's playing against the House.. but he's also watching the players around him.
It's not Personal.. it's business.
Stay Strong.
Always
Motch
PS) Know that this will reach the eyes of management and maybe even SK.. not worried. Not Personal, Just Business.
Flame Suit On
05-23-2020, 09:44 PM
#9
Orbis Non Sufficit
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 730
Originally Posted by CLazarus
Some initial numbers from the NB side -CA - Total Pre-Bid (Displaced) / Total Post Bid
737 - 2104 (612) / 1837
Bus - 1120 (420) / 917
FO - Total Pre-Bid / Total Post Bid
737 - 1868 / 3011
Bus - 1008 / 2050
So, total number of Bus/737 CAs system wide drops to 2754 from 3224. Total number of Bus/737 FOs system wide goes from 2876 up to 5061. 2307 more NB FOs than CAs after this bid alone, cross your fingers that the next displacement is nowhere near as big. I'm going to slug down some liquid courage and look for my resume while I wait for it to come out.
TheSoCalGuy had a nice post the other day comparing PCs WB targets vs. tentative head counts. Would love to see an update on that with final numbers from this bid, as it will give an idea of how many more NB FOs might result from the next one. Furlough estimate
737 - 2104 (612) / 1837
Bus - 1120 (420) / 917
FO - Total Pre-Bid / Total Post Bid
737 - 1868 / 3011
Bus - 1008 / 2050
So, total number of Bus/737 CAs system wide drops to 2754 from 3224. Total number of Bus/737 FOs system wide goes from 2876 up to 5061. 2307 more NB FOs than CAs after this bid alone, cross your fingers that the next displacement is nowhere near as big. I'm going to slug down some liquid courage and look for my resume while I wait for it to come out.
TheSoCalGuy had a nice post the other day comparing PCs WB targets vs. tentative head counts. Would love to see an update on that with final numbers from this bid, as it will give an idea of how many more NB FOs might result from the next one. Furlough estimate
05-23-2020, 11:39 PM
#10
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: B-737 Captain
Posts: 649
Originally Posted by horrido27
Long Post coming up-
Please.. bear with me..
Chess not Checkers.
Company is playing Chess. Please, don't play checkers!
On the 2nd of May, MOAD bid came out.
Min/Max for EWR756 FO was 77.
I'm Displaced.
Laughable.
The company (SK at the top spot) gambled on a decrease of flying or at the worst, status quo. This probably went down some time during the last week of April.. Things were kind of bad. I'll admit. But keep in mind, SK Is a GAMBLER. And we are chips in a way~ (Black Chips!)
A week later,.. adjustment. (anyone ever heard of that before?!)
All of a sudden the Min/Max for EWR756 FO is 217.
hmmm
No longer displaced.
Tonight the award is released (on Memorial Day weekend.. which should INSULT us all)..
So now I'm showing at 231 in Cat and at 65.6%.
But wait- The Min/Max is 217 per the adjustment on the 8th of May.
Will be Displaced again?!
The guy at 100% is actually U259511. A displaced EWR 777 FO.
The company and SK are playing games with us. He's a gambler and he's trying to scare the pilot group while enticing the bottom of the list into E-SRL which just saved him thousands of pilot hours.
Guys & Gals.. start thinking ahead a few steps. The next displacement bid will come out in the next week or so. An adjusted to the overstaffing of this cluster****.. and an adjustment to their fleet/route plan for this Fall and the summer of 2021. Life is coming back slowly.
Do Not Fall into the FEAR
For the bottom 1000-2000 pilots.. understand this. We WILL make your furlough as painful and expense to the company as possible. That is not a threat. Just a statement.
SK is a gambler. When he's at the table, he's playing against the House.. but he's also watching the players around him.
It's not Personal.. it's business.
Stay Strong.
Always
Motch
PS) Know that this will reach the eyes of management and maybe even SK.. not worried. Not Personal, Just Business.
Flame Suit On
Please.. bear with me..
Chess not Checkers.
Company is playing Chess. Please, don't play checkers!
On the 2nd of May, MOAD bid came out.
Min/Max for EWR756 FO was 77.
I'm Displaced.
Laughable.
The company (SK at the top spot) gambled on a decrease of flying or at the worst, status quo. This probably went down some time during the last week of April.. Things were kind of bad. I'll admit. But keep in mind, SK Is a GAMBLER. And we are chips in a way~ (Black Chips!)
A week later,.. adjustment. (anyone ever heard of that before?!)
All of a sudden the Min/Max for EWR756 FO is 217.
hmmm
No longer displaced.
Tonight the award is released (on Memorial Day weekend.. which should INSULT us all)..
So now I'm showing at 231 in Cat and at 65.6%.
But wait- The Min/Max is 217 per the adjustment on the 8th of May.
Will be Displaced again?!
The guy at 100% is actually U259511. A displaced EWR 777 FO.
The company and SK are playing games with us. He's a gambler and he's trying to scare the pilot group while enticing the bottom of the list into E-SRL which just saved him thousands of pilot hours.
Guys & Gals.. start thinking ahead a few steps. The next displacement bid will come out in the next week or so. An adjusted to the overstaffing of this cluster****.. and an adjustment to their fleet/route plan for this Fall and the summer of 2021. Life is coming back slowly.
Do Not Fall into the FEAR
For the bottom 1000-2000 pilots.. understand this. We WILL make your furlough as painful and expense to the company as possible. That is not a threat. Just a statement.
SK is a gambler. When he's at the table, he's playing against the House.. but he's also watching the players around him.
It's not Personal.. it's business.
Stay Strong.
Always
Motch
PS) Know that this will reach the eyes of management and maybe even SK.. not worried. Not Personal, Just Business.
Flame Suit On
The min/max is meaningless in a displacement. You can bid wherever your seniority can hold. Period. Carlson has been here before. Multiple times. So he went deeper than he wanted the end result to be, anticipating (guessing) where people would bid. This strategy will result in some overages and deficits, but overall it will lower the number of displacement bids required vs what we've seen in the past. IOW, quicker downgrades and pay-cuts for many. This is a desperate company doing what it can to outlast the cash burn and maybe avoid bankruptcy. Sure they'll come at us for concessions, and I agree we should hold firm and not be fearful. But this isn't some grand scheme with poker chips and chess boards. This sh!t is real.
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