Early Outs
06-27-2020, 03:30 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Bluewaffle
Would someone explain the rationale from the company’s perspective for an early out? Why would they spend the money to pay you to leave Early when they can just furlough for much less cost? Is it all about good will and maintaining morale? Since there is very little flying and training costs are mostly fixed, I just don’t see it happening. I am encouraged to see just about every other airline offer one though
06-27-2020, 03:37 PM
#12
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Maybe I’m missing something but a early out program does make sense for our airline.
1) It would make a substantial portion of our senior pilots being paid 50+ hours rather than 80+ hours.
2) It would also make the payroll more junior, because if they furlough at my seniority, their payroll would be paying pilots at 7-12 years on the pay scale. If they have an early out, many on the 12 year pay scale would be at 50+ hours and it would preserve pilots being paid at the bottom of the pay scale. Making it more junior.
3) As for training, we have enough displacements that haven’t started training yet, that they could simply and cheaply cancel the displacements. That would mitigate the training costs. Training costs vacillate depending on demand. The last two displacement bids have created a lot of demand. If displacements are cancelled, that lowers the demand.
Maybe I have no idea of what I am saying??? Please feel free to educate me!!!
1) It would make a substantial portion of our senior pilots being paid 50+ hours rather than 80+ hours.
2) It would also make the payroll more junior, because if they furlough at my seniority, their payroll would be paying pilots at 7-12 years on the pay scale. If they have an early out, many on the 12 year pay scale would be at 50+ hours and it would preserve pilots being paid at the bottom of the pay scale. Making it more junior.
3) As for training, we have enough displacements that haven’t started training yet, that they could simply and cheaply cancel the displacements. That would mitigate the training costs. Training costs vacillate depending on demand. The last two displacement bids have created a lot of demand. If displacements are cancelled, that lowers the demand.
Maybe I have no idea of what I am saying??? Please feel free to educate me!!!
06-27-2020, 05:40 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
do you think AA/DL are doing out of the goodness of their heart?
06-27-2020, 07:14 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by Bluewaffle
That’s why I was asking. I know those airlines have announced fleet retirements which from a training perspective can justify spending the money on early outs.
06-28-2020, 03:30 AM
#15
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Originally Posted by Deathray
It doesn’t. And since our pilot group is rather top heavy, those slots will just be filled with equally paid pilots.
But, what it does do is keep promises to newer pilots that our airline has turned a corner, and the animosity between management and pilots is a thing of the past.
I guess we’ll see if all that LEAP training was real, and if CORE4 is real, or we’ll see it was all a meaningless waste of time and resources.
But, what it does do is keep promises to newer pilots that our airline has turned a corner, and the animosity between management and pilots is a thing of the past.
I guess we’ll see if all that LEAP training was real, and if CORE4 is real, or we’ll see it was all a meaningless waste of time and resources.
Oh dear God ... Marvin?
06-28-2020, 08:38 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Even without retiring fleets, parking WB’s allows the company to flush from the top through early outs without cascade training events.
06-28-2020, 09:49 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by Oletimer
yeah but parking wide bodies also pushes out like 9 co pilots per airframe and that definitely has a cascading effect. In addition, the high yield PRASM's cannot be attained. A fuel efficient wide body is a great money maker!
Some of those old farts in the right seat are taking the early outs too.
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