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Gooselives 06-23-2020 02:48 PM

Early Outs
 
Any stats on how many so far have taken the early out? I see they boosted up the medical incentives.

cadetdrivr 06-23-2020 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 3079696)
Any stats on how many so far have taken the early out? I see they boosted up the medical incentives.

Huh?

I think you posted this in the wrong section.

ERAUAV8TR 06-27-2020 12:30 PM

Any word on early outs at UAL?

MasterOfPuppets 06-27-2020 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 3081965)
Any word on early outs at UAL?

I promise you it will be posted right here on this forum within a 10th of a second of it hitting our email.

until then there is no word and no desire....atleast publicly....on an Early Out.

Bluewaffle 06-27-2020 12:51 PM

Would someone explain the rationale from the company’s perspective for an early out? Why would they spend the money to pay you to leave Early when they can just furlough for much less cost? Is it all about good will and maintaining morale? Since there is very little flying and training costs are mostly fixed, I just don’t see it happening. I am encouraged to see just about every other airline offer one though

nuball5 06-27-2020 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Bluewaffle (Post 3081984)
Would someone explain the rationale from the company’s perspective for an early out? Why would they spend the money to pay you to leave Early when they can just furlough for much less cost? Is it all about good will and maintaining morale? Since there is very little flying and trading costs are mostly fixed, I just don’t see it happening. I am encouraged to see just about every other airline offer one though

A chance to get expensive payroll off the books forever I would venture to guess.

Winston 06-27-2020 01:08 PM

It potentially gets some of the most expensive/least productive pilots off the list at a relatively low cost. If guys are banging in sick for half the month anyway trying to deplete that sick bank, paying them 1/2 to 2/3 their salary to just go away is a fairly minimal change in the status quo.

Combine that with a potential parked fleet or two, and the cascade of training events that are triggered during any kind of displacement, enticing the top 10% to walk could be a win-win in a downturn.

Deathray 06-27-2020 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bluewaffle (Post 3081984)
Would someone explain the rationale from the company’s perspective for an early out? Why would they spend the money to pay you to leave Early when they can just furlough for much less cost? Is it all about good will and maintaining morale? Since there is very little flying and training costs are mostly fixed, I just don’t see it happening. I am encouraged to see just about every other airline offer one though

It doesn’t. And since our pilot group is rather top heavy, those slots will just be filled with equally paid pilots.

But, what it does do is keep promises to newer pilots that our airline has turned a corner, and the animosity between management and pilots is a thing of the past.

I guess we’ll see if all that LEAP training was real, and if CORE4 is real, or we’ll see it was all a meaningless waste of time and resources.

pilotgolfer 06-27-2020 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Deathray (Post 3082014)
It doesn’t. And since our pilot group is rather top heavy, those slots will just be filled with equally paid pilots.

But, what it does do is keep promises to newer pilots that our airline has turned a corner, and the animosity between management and pilots is a thing of the past.

I guess we’ll see if all that LEAP training was real, and if CORE4 is real, or we’ll see it was all a meaningless waste of time and resources.


You thought that stuff was REAL? Really? You are a level 4 Marvin 😁

cadetdrivr 06-27-2020 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Bluewaffle (Post 3081984)
Would someone explain the rationale from the company’s perspective for an early out? Why would they spend the money to pay you to leave Early when they can just furlough for much less cost? Is it all about good will and maintaining morale? Since there is very little flying and training costs are mostly fixed, I just don’t see it happening. I am encouraged to see just about every other airline offer one though

From a practical standpoint it can help mitigate the disaster of a training cascade as multiple pilots are shuffled down the hierarchy of categories. It's not so much of an immediate cost saving in a world where training centers are fixed costs and salaries are subsidized but by removing bodies from the displacements the end result is achieved quicker.

By moving bodies off both ends of the list there's much less churn in the middle.

But ultimately every airline is gonna do whatever burns the least cash in the short term and will come up with different solutions based on their circumstances.


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