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Andy 07-24-2020 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3097419)
So no one actually wants to discuss earnings? Only political BS?

I don't drink enough to talk about how bad those earnings were and look for the foreseeable future. It's less painful to discuss politics.

And if the Ds decide to cut off 'corporate welfare' and stop sending free money to people who get paid >$100K/yr to do nothing thanks to CARES, things get fugly very fast.
What my liberal friends don't seem to understand is that we have a huge target on our backs with the Ds due to the concept of corporate welfare and our salaries. Give Ds full control of government (both houses and POTUS) and they may decide that maximum monthly wage payment via CARES money is $5K/mo.
Neither political party are pilots' friends.

Political status quo is best for those of us in the airline industry at this turbulent time.

RJDio 07-24-2020 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3098236)
I don't drink enough to talk about how bad those earnings were and look for the foreseeable future. It's less painful to discuss politics.

And if the Ds decide to cut off 'corporate welfare' and stop sending free money to people who get paid >$100K/yr to do nothing thanks to CARES, things get fugly very fast.
What my liberal friends don't seem to understand is that we have a huge target on our backs with the Ds due to the concept of corporate welfare and our salaries. Give Ds full control of government (both houses and POTUS) and they may decide that maximum monthly wage payment via CARES money is $5K/mo.
Neither political party are pilots' friends.

Political status quo is best for those of us in the airline industry at this turbulent time.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the targets on our backs. A little indirect example is most of us didn’t qualify for the stimulus check. Somehow it was dire for the economy, except for us high income earners according to both parties.

Andy 07-24-2020 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by TooMuchTAFB (Post 3097866)
It’s not the events that can be blamed on these “leaders,” it’s their response. 9/11: bungled. COVID: I squarely blame a lack of leadership on our slow recovery. Demand was rising, until we lost control of the spread because dimwit got bored with dealing with it, and left the response up to everyone else. He is most definitely at fault for where we are now, and where we will be this fall.

It's truly sad that there are so many people like you who have zero concept of what falls under the purview of federal government and what falls under the purview of state government.
What you want is an extremely strong federal government - the kind that creates dictatorships. Fortunately, people much smarter than you or I recognized that one doesn't want too strong a federal government so quite a bit of the decision making that you are wailing about is the responsibility of each state governor.

Andy 07-24-2020 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 3098242)
I think you hit the nail on the head with the targets on our backs. A little indirect example is most of us didn’t qualify for the stimulus check. Somehow it was dire for the economy, except for us high income earners according to both parties.

Shack.

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ReadOnly7 07-24-2020 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3098244)
It's truly sad that there are so many people like you who have zero concept of what falls under the purview of federal government and what falls under the purview of state government.
What you want is an extremely strong federal government - the kind that creates dictatorships. Fortunately, people much smarter than you or I recognized that one doesn't want too strong a federal government so quite a bit of the decision making that you are wailing about is the responsibility of each state governor.

In this particular situation.....states’ rights have resulted in a totally inconsistent and ineffective response. For SOME things, we need central leadership.

ReadOnly7 07-24-2020 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Huell (Post 3098192)
LOL ... I JUST retired. I don't post on every thread under every airline ... Over generalization much?

I spend very little time here ... Having coffee now then on to the projects planned for today ... When I come in to cool off I will probably be back.

Off to the lake for the weekend ... so you will be safe for a few days.

I hope you have a blessed day.

meh.....I was being a total Richard, anyways. Stress is getting to me. Enjoy your weekend.

AxlF16 07-24-2020 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3098236)
I don't drink enough to talk about how bad those earnings were and look for the foreseeable future. It's less painful to discuss politics.

And if the Ds decide to cut off 'corporate welfare' and stop sending free money to people who get paid >$100K/yr to do nothing thanks to CARES, things get fugly very fast.
What my liberal friends don't seem to understand is that we have a huge target on our backs with the Ds due to the concept of corporate welfare and our salaries. Give Ds full control of government (both houses and POTUS) and they may decide that maximum monthly wage payment via CARES money is $5K/mo.
Neither political party are pilots' friends.

Political status quo is best for those of us in the airline industry at this turbulent time.

There wasn't a carveout for high income earners in the first CARES bill. Do you contend that the Democratic leadership wanted to limit high income earners while the Republican leadership wanted no limits on high income earners? My understanding is that in general the D's were for the grants and the R's were against the grants.

You do understand that high income earners like airline pilots are not really the wealthy demographic that the R's are looking out for right? We make good money, but we're not WEALTHY as a result of this career. Think of yourself as expensive gum on the sole of their shoes.

Vernon Demerest 07-24-2020 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3098244)
It's truly sad that there are so many people like you who have zero concept of what falls under the purview of federal government and what falls under the purview of state government.
What you want is an extremely strong federal government - the kind that creates dictatorships. Fortunately, people much smarter than you or I recognized that one doesn't want too strong a federal government so quite a bit of the decision making that you are wailing about is the responsibility of each state governor.

You are actually typing this today? Imagine if, four years ago when a black president was still in the WH, that president ordered federal police into cities to make arrests against people protesting the possibility of gun control. Remember operation Jade Helm? A bunch of right wingers scared that the scheduled joint forces exercises in Texas could possibly be a government(federal) takeover of Texas in order to take guns away. Even our governor(Texas), in an effort to ease the anxiety of those who believed in this conspiracy, sent the texas guard to "monitor" the activities. A republican friend of mine in the state legislature said most of the educated republicans were laughing about it and felt for the representatives of the heavily populated districts affected. Now, we actually have a wannabe fascist sending armed federal law enforcement into certain cities and the left is up in arms but the right seems okay with for some reason. Can't have it both ways.

Andy 07-24-2020 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 3098389)
There wasn't a carveout for high income earners in the first CARES bill. Do you contend that the Democratic leadership wanted to limit high income earners while the Republican leadership wanted no limits on high income earners? My understanding is that in general the D's were for the grants and the R's were against the grants.

You do understand that high income earners like airline pilots are not really the wealthy demographic that the R's are looking out for right? We make good money, but we're not WEALTHY as a result of this career. Think of yourself as expensive gum on the sole of their shoes.

I don't know where you leapt to the conclusion you did in your first paragraph.

As for your second paragraph, reread my second to last sentence one more time because you don't seem to 'get it'. Here it is:
Neither political party are pilots' friends.

guppie 07-24-2020 12:02 PM

Targets on our back? Ha! The bottom line is the best contracts of our careers came under Clinton and Obama. Period. Dot. Even the extension. And their stock market runs? BOOM. $$$$. The furloughs, concessionary contracts, and market contractions have all come when we elect the “Conservative” party. Lol. (This year’s 4T deficit will make Obama look thrifty). I’m sure it’s all a coincidence, but the evidence is overwhelming. Don’t worry Dio, you’ll get that stripe back under Biden. 😎


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