You answered my question. Other people's money.

 

OK… Maybe I missed your point, but can you name me a CEO of a fortune 500 company who is gambling with his/her own money?

Not to mention, I have a job at United in 10 years. Scott Kirby’s next CEO job very much depends on how this goes

 

No because he ignores the facts for a baseline. He doesn’t acknowledge the WHO or Dr.Fauci who has repeatedly said that a vaccine in 2020 is highly unlikely. A more realistic timeline for a vaccine is estimated as 12-18 months away, which would still be unprecedented for this type of vaccine project. All the pieces of the developmental stages have to work nearly perfectly to meet this projected date. The manufacturing capacity to make the vaccine also needs to be a coordinated global effort. It is also likely that there will have to be a roll-out of a vaccine to the most at risk individuals (health-care workers, individuals with pre-existing health issue) first, as the multiple billions of doses needed may not be able to be produced in such a short time after identification of a candidate vaccine.

So once this above happens. Then throw out your best or worse guess for a travel bounce back. Not a minute sooner. Do you really think the company does not knows this. But you want to finance the pilot salary with your own for the next 24 months.

let’s see 12-18 months for vaccine. 24 month TA. Hmmm...

if Duvie and others would quit hiding behind the nonsense of “IFs and Hope” Or “Maybe in 6-8 months” for their own agenda and use actual facts they would come to the same conclusion. But he doesn’t want to admit that he wants to keep his salary and has no problem having another pilot pay for it.

As that one guy says “Facts don’t care about your feelings”. And that probably means I will be furloughed as well.

 

Looking forward to seeing these

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Ordered!! Thanks

 

How is he different? If he was so different why wasnt the CBA done a year ago? Remember early openers was to get the deal done at amendable date. United was 2 years plus into negotiations prior to Covid. He is not different in his actions. He may say different things but at the end of the day they are all mostly the same. He will squeeze every penny out of labor he can guarantee.

 

I guess I should be more specific. Scott should gamble with United's money, not mine. Don't fret for Mahogany Row.

 

Bottoms up,

I very much agree with your pessimism about the vaccine and/or therapeutic route. Your premise about economic recovery would be sound, if the aforementioned two things were the only route out of economic purgatory. I personally don’t think that is the case. This virus, although certainly more deadly than the common flu, has killed less than 1% of 1% of our population.

I suspect there will come a point of economic pragmatism, where people go forward understanding that COVID-19 may be a part of their lives for years to come. Much like automobile top speed increasing and thus the death toll rising exponentially, corporations may be forced to face economic devastation (or reshaping, to be very optimistic) or return to business “as usual.“ whatever that means in 2021

if you had told the average American that the flu is going to be “twice as deadly this year,” I don’t think many would have really been that concerned (people like your wife notwithstanding). I don’t want to invoke the M-word here but the hysteria around this virus has certainly outpaced the actual threat. I believe with a little time, that will be seen by more and more people. Obviously 200,000 deaths is tragic, but if looked at in a historical perspective, this is a fairly small scale event that is having an outsized economic impact

 

excellent post Andy.

 

Conclusion. At its root, trading MPG, abrogating seniority, setting bad precedent, and resulting disparities between fleets and seats are bad ideas and are too high a price to pay. All of us are empathetic to those looking at furlough. The lessons of the past have taught us that creative “solutions” today often harm those we are trying to protect.
This recommendation against the LOA is not meant as an abandonment of those who will very likely be furloughed should the TA fail. We want you to return swiftly to an intact contract that does not damage your future career. Read the TA - objectively and without spin. We strongly believe that all UAL pilots and the future of our profession are best represented by a “no” vote.

MEC members “con” conclusion...