Dogbelch

Lol....oh so now I have something going on in my life because I think you’re a douche bag? Ok Dr. Frued. And if you’d spout your BS to me in person I wouldn’t hesitate to call you a douche bag.

JoePatroni

How about when someone walks in the cockpit talking on his cell phone and drops his ID and JS form on the pedestal while you’re doing a takeoff briefing? That guy stayed in HNL a little while longer.

Dogbelch

I was speaking of broad brushed denials based on hiring etc. That’s a totally different scenario and they’d obviously be left behind as apparently you did.

Dogbelch

Sorry, I don’t think it’s silly at all as a sign of protest.

One advantage of that going through life as a fairly large guy is not to many people have ever initiated a confrontation or given me grief. Maybe one in college but I digress. My point being I couldn’t care less about any pin nazis or sycophants nor would I ever engage one of those tools on property. IDGAF and this was loa was one to many scorchings by ALPA for my tastes. But....... the pin nazis will only be disappointed because mine is still worn upside down, maybe it will end up in the trash where it belongs as far as I’m now concerned. I did fly with someone recently that not only had his upside down but painted it black. Interesting touch, but I guess that’s what happens when the union fractionalizes the list.

Sort of off subject but still along the same lines. A pilot that had a hangar next to me back in the 90’s was a full term striking Continental pilot. One of the things I always remember with him discussing the strike over there was that some of the biggest union cheerleaders leading up to the strike were the first guys to cross the line. I think the pin nazis here are misguided thinking that wearing one determines who will toe the line. I get the fact about the obsession at United given the strike and back then it was damn important to see who crossed and who didn’t. I think the pin obsession mentality is becoming dated from something that occurred 35 years ago.

Hedley

I’d agree with this. That is why I posted that although United has a strong show of faith, the actual faithful aren’t near the numbers that some think. People like to talk about what wearing a pin means or accomplishes, but when many just wear one to avoid a potential hassle from others, it really doesn’t mean that much. I understand that this is United, and there is a certain narrative that is expected to be followed. Many believe it, many just blindly recite it, and others just try to fly under the radar. I’m one of the later. I don’t really notice or care if someone wears the proper flair. I wear one just to avoid the hassle, but I’d also be one of the first to walk if it ever came down to that (it won’t because no legacy will get released, but you get the point).

JimLaheyTPS

I don’t think you have something going on in your life. From the amount of anger fueled posts over the last 3 weeks from you it’s pretty clear you don’t have anything going on in your life outside of doing battle on anonymous pilot forums.

Time for everyone to chill the F out and have a drink and stop thinking their views are going to do a damn thing on APC.

Dogbelch

My life is pretty darn good and I’m very blessed but thanks for your........ concern.

duvie

Instead of name calling, or chest thumping, Tell me where my BS or arrogance is. Here are some further examples of symbolism for you (and others who think the pin is insignificant), since you Ignored that part and are considering discarding your union pin:

people say please and thank you not because the individual syllables put together have special power, but to show respect for the other people you talk to

People with grievances against government policies do not burn the flag, not because igniting a piece of cloth does any thing, but because of respect for other people that have carried the flag and care about our collective outcome as a nation.

I hold doors for people behind me, not because they are not capable of opening them themselves, but because it shows people you actually have something on your mind besides yourself

I tell my kids not to hit or fight with people smaller than them. Not because some kids don’t deserve it, but to show them that discipline/restraint is far more impressive than ability/strength.

I wear my Union Pin not because I like the way the shiny piece of metal looks, but to remind myself and other pilots that we are stronger together than separate

Do you see a pattern? It’s the idea that you and your desires/values are not the most important thing in the world. Aside from putting food or water in your mouth and physically avoiding objects, many if not most actions are symbolistic. Maybe your life is good and this is purely an outlet for you. However, since you’ve stated this isn’t an alter ego exercise for you and based on your nihilistic, reality-TV style communications, this displays that you don’t value treating other people well. do you Honestly think calling people out and contradicting things reflexively is bringing you more joy than to find commonality with other people?

Thor

Read MOU 20-02 carefully, yes, you can get paid for a missed trip.

Guppydriver95

denying a scab the Jumpseat is settled precedent. Oh sure, some cry baby scabs ran to the Chief pilot and HR shortly after the merger because they never had to deal with it at CAL, but make no mistake: denying a scab the Jumpseat at United will NEVER lead to discipline. Every time a scab tried, they failed. It’s the Captain’s Jumpseat, period.