Originally Posted by Sniper66

FYI
15 days vacation November 48.45 hours add pay
6 days reserve and 24.20 MPG for a total of 73 hours almost

25 days off and 6 reserve days out of 31 day month

Originally Posted by Big5

Reserve vs. line. 2 different calculations. Another example of the misunderstanding in how this all works. But hey - you got 25 days off with 73 hours of pay. Well done. This new LoA rocks!!!! Can’t wait ‘til we get to vote to extend it!!!

Originally Posted by Andy

You're having a problem dealing with the new Covid environment. It's famine time; the feast is over. For now.

The rules have changed and you don't seem to be able to adapt.

Originally Posted by Big5

Puhhhhlease, have you seen the nov lines? Talk about out of wack. It’s full on feast on the 78. The Bus not so much.

Anything Upper group. They’ll feast also. Middle group they’ll get some scraps. Lower, nada. Yep WE, not Covid changed the rules and created our own feast or famine. To suggest this is covid is disingenuous.

How’s it going over at AA? DAL? sWa? Haven’t seen any of them split their pilot group in the name of covid.

Originally Posted by Big5

Puhhhhlease, have you seen the nov lines? Talk about out of wack. It’s full on feast on the 78. The Bus not so much.

Originally Posted by Knotcher

There are lots of tough talkers on here about how they will hold the line, but as soon as the furlough gun is pointed in their face they fall to their knees pleading for their job just like they did for this TA....sad but true.

Originally Posted by Big5

Reserve vs. line. 2 different calculations. Another example of the misunderstanding in how this all works. But hey - you got 25 days off with 73 hours of pay. Well done. This new LoA rocks!!!! Can’t wait ‘til we get to vote to extend it!!!

Originally Posted by Big5

I believe he laid out a pretty solid case pre-vote. Of course your mind was already made up and no additional facts or inconvenient truths were going to prevent you from saving us....

Anyway here’s his point that’s well summarized which explains the pay cut related to vacation factor at 2:20.....

“2:20.

Why did the vacation credit stay at 2:20? Does anyone know where the 2:20 came from? It's 70 hour MPG divided by 30 days in the month, = 2:20.



That's where the pilots are paying for this agreement, 2:20.



A 60 hour MPG should have a vacation credit of 2:00 not 2:20 and so on. Why did it stay at 2:20? So how does/can affect you and how does it affect me? Good Question! So I looked back at my last vacation month and here is what I found out. I a senior narrowbody F/O.





My August 2020:



No days of work, 8 days off, 22 days of vacation, Vac add pay = 71:30, MPG = 18:40, Total pay =90:10



70 MPG - ( 22 days X 2:20) = 18:40



Any potential month of 2021 with 60 hour MPG:



No days of work, 8 days off, 22 days of vacation, Vac add pay = 71:30, MPG = 8:40, Total pay = 80:10



60 MPG - (22 days X 2:20) = 8:40



Vacation paid the same but my pay went down by 10 hours. How can that be? Is it magic? No, it's a function of MPG. That's a 10 hour pay cut, not a work reduction. Plain and simple. I am still working the same number of days (zero) and I haven't gained any days off. Does this TA affect the vacation you are due? NO. Can this TA affect how vacation is paid out? YES. Will it affect everyone? No. Will it affect you? Do your due diligence and find out.



Now I sent an email to TI yesterday about this and I heard back pretty quickly from a high up on the SSC who said yes I am correct and that I am in the 10% who actually understands how this works. Well, why not explain this to the 90% then? Today I got another email from a 2nd person on the SSC so I guess my email really hit a nerve. This person said yes it will affect you, and it will affect more people if this TA is passed. I don't know if you are one of those (generally speaking) but it might be worth it to try this math yourself at your projected MPG.



I believe UALALPA has strong tradition of helping out pilots not only on the UAL list but other displaced ALPA pilots. I was one of them. As a 727 FE I sat behind a number of ex-Eastern types who were happy to get this chance at United late in life, even though they may never make captain. I believe this MEC in keeping that tradition had great intentions of helping potential furloughees. But implications of this TA are not fully understood and to call the MPG factor on vacation pay "fake news" just exposes ignorance. Do your due diligence THEN vote.

And yes, realize yes some of us are taking paycuts NOT just "work reductions".

Best wishes to us all!”

Originally Posted by Sniper66

it’s less than what it would have been, I agree.
however it’s a new era in case you have not noticed it .... we saved 3900 coworkers jobs and I am ok with that ...

try not to have a heart attack over this TA
LTD pays 96k per year