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MagooFlew 10-26-2020 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3149795)
Until domestic and international COVID restrictions are lifted, there really won’t be very much demand. When they do come down there will most likely be a fare war while airlines compete to recover, maintain, or gain market share. Loads may improve, but revenue will lag behind for quite a while. The demand may be there to fill the seats and keep our jobs, but the revenue will be less and making improvements coming out of this will be slow. I’m settling in for another lost decade.

Agree. The last one standing is still left holding a bag of empty airplanes and debt he can’t pay.

DoubtingThomas 10-27-2020 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 3150406)
Once the crap shoots out the leg holes of juniors diaper, there's no putting it back.

This is hilarious, thank you!

MasterOfPuppets 10-27-2020 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Wingedbeast (Post 3150618)
And then kirby asked the judge to make these cuts permanent.

what cuts? The TA doesn’t exist the day we declare bankruptcy.

Nucflash 10-27-2020 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3150630)
what cuts? The TA doesn’t exist the day we declare bankruptcy.

You can smash their craniums against a wall ‘till kingdom come.....it’s not going to break any functioning neurons loose.

Dave Fitzgerald 10-27-2020 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3150665)
You can smash their craniums against a wall ‘till kingdom come.....it’s not going to break any functioning neurons loose.

Outstanding!!

SystemB 10-28-2020 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Wingedbeast (Post 3150618)
And then kirby asked the judge to make these cuts permanent.

If that’s all that happens in BK, I say that’s very optimistic. The judge making this LOA permanent would be just fine IMO, compared to some other creative deep cuts that he could impose. I hope you are correct.

cadetdrivr 10-28-2020 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by SystemB (Post 3151258)
If that’s all that happens in BK, I say that’s very optimistic. The judge making this LOA permanent would be just fine IMO, compared to some other creative deep cuts that he could impose. I hope you are correct.

The problem is, UAL also would not want this LOA permanent in the event of a BK.

Yes, they would want deep cuts but pretty much the opposite of this LOA. Instead, they would desire very high LPAs (to enable maximum furloughs) combined with huge cuts to pay and work rules.

This LOA is designed to retain pilots for a rebound, not minimize labor expenses for an airline shrinking in BK.

Hedley 10-28-2020 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 3151271)
The problem is, UAL also would not want this LOA permanent in the event of a BK.

Yes, they would want deep cuts but pretty much the opposite of this LOA. Instead, they would desire very high LPAs (to enable maximum furloughs) combined with huge cuts to pay and work rules.

This LOA is designed to retain pilots for a rebound, not minimize labor expenses for an airline shrinking in BK.

You’re right. Our creditors and shareholders will demand maximum productivity and cost cutting, rather than paying more to carry a bunch of dead weight. The real problem is that you are trying to apply logic and reason with people who respond poorly to that approach.

MasterOfPuppets 10-28-2020 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 3151271)
The problem is, UAL also would not want this LOA permanent in the event of a BK.

Yes, they would want deep cuts but pretty much the opposite of this LOA. Instead, they would desire very high LPAs (to enable maximum furloughs) combined with huge cuts to pay and work rules.

This LOA is designed to retain pilots for a rebound, not minimize labor expenses for an airline shrinking in BK.

exactly.....what airline wants a bunch of unproductive pilots? They would rather a BK judge force us to 90hrs a month.


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