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Grumble 11-20-2020 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3160958)
agreed on all points.....I love flying RNP approaches request them whenever available.

Dork.:D

I love hand flying visuals. Everything else is just work.

MasterOfPuppets 11-20-2020 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3161265)
Dork.:D

I love hand flying visuals. Everything else is just work.

lol.....I love hand flying good visuals like the expressway and the river.

flightmedic01 11-20-2020 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3161265)
Dork.:D

I love hand flying visuals. Everything else is just work.

Which is why I’d take the Airbus over the 737 every day of the week, and twice on Sunday! 😜

TodKindrsChikun 11-20-2020 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3161265)
Dork.:D

I love hand flying visuals. Everything else is just work.

My sentiments exactly. Watching an autopilot do an RNP into DEN or IAH on a CAVU day is just about as boring as it gets.

Grumble 11-20-2020 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by flightmedic01 (Post 3161388)
Which is why I’d take the Airbus over the 737 every day of the week, and twice on Sunday! 😜

There are those who like this post, and those who will.

EWRflyr 11-21-2020 04:30 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3159144)
I’m starting to sound like an aging widebody FO that has no interest in being a captain until I can hold the good European trips........ oh wait, I’ve been that guy for years. Being a NB captain flying multiple legs a day, dealing with the passenger and flight attendant drama, short layovers, and unproductive trips sounds too much like work. Hopefully the long haul flying will come back before this LOA terminates so that I don’t have to upgrade just to avoid NB FO pay.

Funny. I've been a narrow body guy for over 13 years and can count on one hand the number of FA issues I've encountered prior to this Fall. Since then? Well, lets say a few more than that. In common? All former international FAs "forced" to fly domestic trips now after many many many years of not doing so.

Maybe a generality or maybe after so many years I have a different take on what I normally consider drama vs. this new drama I'm seeing. As for passengers? Yes, I agree. The number of those issues has gone way up, but our FAs have always seemed to get it handled.

Hedley 11-21-2020 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 3161607)
Funny. I've been a narrow body guy for over 13 years and can count on one hand the number of FA issues I've encountered prior to this Fall. Since then? Well, lets say a few more than that. In common? All former international FAs "forced" to fly domestic trips now after many many many years of not doing so.

Maybe a generality or maybe after so many years I have a different take on what I normally consider drama vs. this new drama I'm seeing. As for passengers? Yes, I agree. The number of those issues has gone way up, but our FAs have always seemed to get it handled.

Perhaps drama was the wrong word. How about hassle? On the WB, there are just 2 legs per trip, 2 briefings, things seem to run more reliably, and fewer days on the road. On the NB you have to deal with 2-3 (sometimes more) legs per day, crew changes, briefings, better chance of delays bouncing through the hubs for 3-4 days........ Being on a WB is definitely a slower pace, more relaxed, and far more productive. For only $40k difference in pay, I’ll take my time in the bunk, pass on all of the extra work, and end up home an extra 50-60 days per year. Again, it’s great to have a choice as to what kind of flying that you want to do.

Guppydriver95 11-22-2020 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3161900)
Perhaps drama was the wrong word. How about hassle? On the WB, there are just 2 legs per trip, 2 briefings, things seem to run more reliably, and fewer days on the road. On the NB you have to deal with 2-3 (sometimes more) legs per day, crew changes, briefings, better chance of delays bouncing through the hubs for 3-4 days........ Being on a WB is definitely a slower pace, more relaxed, and far more productive. For only $40k difference in pay, I’ll take my time in the bunk, pass on all of the extra work, and end up home an extra 50-60 days per year. Again, it’s great to have a choice as to what kind of flying that you want to do.

I’ve done both, and IMO the variable that is so difficult to quantify if the toll that a steady diet of WB flying takes on one’s body. Constant circadian rhythm disruptions aren’t healthy. I think how well one can rest in a bunk, adapt on a layover, and get reaclimated are factors involved in choosing the type of flying one does. Throw in long layovers where it can be easy to overeat and drink if you’re not careful, and it’s a recipe for poor health. I envy guys who can do it without feeling whipped at the end of a trip half way around the world.

Hedley 11-22-2020 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3162070)
I’ve done both, and IMO the variable that is so difficult to quantify if the toll that a steady diet of WB flying takes on one’s body. Constant circadian rhythm disruptions aren’t healthy. I think how well one can rest in a bunk, adapt on a layover, and get reaclimated are factors involved in choosing the type of flying one does. Throw in long layovers where it can be easy to overeat and drink if you’re not careful, and it’s a recipe for poor health. I envy guys who can do it without feeling whipped at the end of a trip half way around the world.

I’m one of those people who actually feel better flying WB, but I don’t act like most WB pilots. I sleep like a rock in the bunk, and I’m not much fun on a layover. I take a good nap when I get to the hotel, get some exercise, have a healthy meal, don’t drink alcohol, and then back to sleep. On go home day, I have a nice breakfast, sleep well in the bunk, and get home that night. I’m usually pretty tired, but I just go to bed, get a good night sleep, and feel fine the next day. Domestic is harder for me. Irregular hours, short layovers, delays, weather, extra workload, and still commute. The best thing that I’ve found for my health is the last 8 months of staying home. Eventually going back to work is going to be an adjustment.

Guppydriver95 11-22-2020 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3162091)
I’m one of those people who actually feel better flying WB, but I don’t act like most WB pilots. I sleep like a rock in the bunk, and I’m not much fun on a layover. I take a good nap when I get to the hotel, get some exercise, have a healthy meal, don’t drink alcohol, and then back to sleep. On go home day, I have a nice breakfast, sleep well in the bunk, and get home that night. I’m usually pretty tired, but I just go to bed, get a good night sleep, and feel fine the next day. Domestic is harder for me. Irregular hours, short layovers, delays, weather, extra workload, and still commute. The best thing that I’ve found for my health is the last 8 months of staying home. Eventually going back to work is going to be an adjustment.

out of curiosity, do you you use melatonin or any other natural sleep aid while on layovers? I never did, but maybe that’s something I should have tried. Even when I did as you mentioned(exercise, eat well, no alcohol etc) I just had a tough time falling asleep in Europe when it was the middle of the day to my body.


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