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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
(Post 3160709)
”we have a problem?” If a guy isn’t proficient with FMA displays on a GLS?? Classic. After I finished chuckling at the sight of you being so serious about something that 99% of us never see on the line, you’d have 2 choices. Teach it, or we get you replaced with someone who has more of a realistic line oriented view of training. If it’s not a memory item, you don’t get to look down your nose at line pilots who don’t memorize the book. That mentality may work with a scared new hire, but those of us who’ve been here long enough to know what matters won’t tolerate BS. Anyway, this thread is quickly devolving into something it shouldn’t , so I’ll bow out now.
When you step into a 787 I will teach you what a GLS is since most haven’t flown an airplane that can do them. But when you come back for CQ I expect you to know it, or do you want me to teach you what an ILS is too? Or is that Varsity knowledge? |
Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
(Post 3160709)
”we have a problem?” If a guy isn’t proficient with FMA displays on a GLS?? Classic. After I finished chuckling at the sight of you being so serious about something that 99% of us never see on the line, you’d have 2 choices. Teach it, or we get you replaced with someone who has more of a realistic line oriented view of training. If it’s not a memory item, you don’t get to look down your nose at line pilots who don’t memorize the book. That mentality may work with a scared new hire, but those of us who’ve been here long enough to know what matters won’t tolerate BS. Anyway, this thread is quickly devolving into something it shouldn’t , so I’ll bow out now.
If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view. |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 3160822)
So... if you find yourself going into EWR one night down to mins and the GLS is your only option because (make up and reason), you're going to do what?
If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view. |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 3160822)
So... if you find yourself going into EWR one night down to mins and the GLS is your only option because (make up and reason), you're going to do what?
If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view. |
Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp
(Post 3160799)
TK smokes JFK Blvd when it comes to training. Def best thing to come out of merger...
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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
(Post 3160848)
Wrong. We’d brief it up using the brown book. You seem to miss the point BIG TIME. The issues arose from the comment “we’d have a problem”. No we wouldn’t, simply because I didn’t memorize a procedure that is rarely flown on the line. I’d look it up, just like in the real world. And if that didn’t satisfy the PI, well then we’d either have to review it and move on, or we find someone who will. Simple! If it was time sensitive, it WOULD be a memory item. Y’all are creating straw man arguments that have no merit. People sometimes forget that TK is there for us, not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 3160865)
Just a heads up but the Approach briefing guide is now on the iPad... Just sayin.
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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
(Post 3160870)
Thx, Hoss. I’m aware. It was a general statement about looking things up. Something MOP seems to think is “a problem”
there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it. tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it. |
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
(Post 3160937)
i never said looking it up was a problem. Go back and read what I originally wrote.
there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it. tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it. |
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
(Post 3160937)
i never said looking it up was a problem. Go back and read what I originally wrote.
there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it. tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it. |
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