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MasterOfPuppets 11-19-2020 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3160709)
”we have a problem?” If a guy isn’t proficient with FMA displays on a GLS?? Classic. After I finished chuckling at the sight of you being so serious about something that 99% of us never see on the line, you’d have 2 choices. Teach it, or we get you replaced with someone who has more of a realistic line oriented view of training. If it’s not a memory item, you don’t get to look down your nose at line pilots who don’t memorize the book. That mentality may work with a scared new hire, but those of us who’ve been here long enough to know what matters won’t tolerate BS. Anyway, this thread is quickly devolving into something it shouldn’t , so I’ll bow out now.

read the manual buddy it’s right there! It’s not a mystery.....it’s in the NORMALS section. Go ahead have me replaced because you can’t be bothered to read the NORMALS section.

When you step into a 787 I will teach you what a GLS is since most haven’t flown an airplane that can do them. But when you come back for CQ I expect you to know it, or do you want me to teach you what an ILS is too? Or is that Varsity knowledge?

Grumble 11-19-2020 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3160709)
”we have a problem?” If a guy isn’t proficient with FMA displays on a GLS?? Classic. After I finished chuckling at the sight of you being so serious about something that 99% of us never see on the line, you’d have 2 choices. Teach it, or we get you replaced with someone who has more of a realistic line oriented view of training. If it’s not a memory item, you don’t get to look down your nose at line pilots who don’t memorize the book. That mentality may work with a scared new hire, but those of us who’ve been here long enough to know what matters won’t tolerate BS. Anyway, this thread is quickly devolving into something it shouldn’t , so I’ll bow out now.

So... if you find yourself going into EWR one night down to mins and the GLS is your only option because (make up and reason), you're going to do what?

If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view.

Guppydriver95 11-19-2020 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3160822)
So... if you find yourself going into EWR one night down to mins and the GLS is your only option because (make up and reason), you're going to do what?

If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view.

Wrong. We’d brief it up using the brown book. You seem to miss the point BIG TIME. The issues arose from the comment “we’d have a problem”. No we wouldn’t, simply because I didn’t memorize a procedure that is rarely flown on the line. I’d look it up, just like in the real world. And if that didn’t satisfy the PI, well then we’d either have to review it and move on, or we find someone who will. Simple! If it was time sensitive, it WOULD be a memory item. Y’all are creating straw man arguments that have no merit. People sometimes forget that TK is there for us, not the other way around.

Guppydriver95 11-19-2020 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3160822)
So... if you find yourself going into EWR one night down to mins and the GLS is your only option because (make up and reason), you're going to do what?

If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view.

ps—your argument falls apart when you make ridiculous statements about what I would or wouldn’t do. Suffice it to say, you’re out to lunch.

JoePatroni 11-19-2020 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp (Post 3160799)
TK smokes JFK Blvd when it comes to training. Def best thing to come out of merger...

The torpedo sinking of the SS Friends Of Fred scab ship was a close second.

Airhoss 11-19-2020 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3160848)
Wrong. We’d brief it up using the brown book. You seem to miss the point BIG TIME. The issues arose from the comment “we’d have a problem”. No we wouldn’t, simply because I didn’t memorize a procedure that is rarely flown on the line. I’d look it up, just like in the real world. And if that didn’t satisfy the PI, well then we’d either have to review it and move on, or we find someone who will. Simple! If it was time sensitive, it WOULD be a memory item. Y’all are creating straw man arguments that have no merit. People sometimes forget that TK is there for us, not the other way around.

Just a heads up but the Approach briefing guide is now on the iPad... Just sayin.

Guppydriver95 11-19-2020 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3160865)
Just a heads up but the Approach briefing guide is now on the iPad... Just sayin.

Thx, Hoss. I’m aware. It was a general statement about looking things up. Something MOP seems to think is “a problem”

MasterOfPuppets 11-19-2020 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3160870)
Thx, Hoss. I’m aware. It was a general statement about looking things up. Something MOP seems to think is “a problem”

i never said looking it up was a problem. Go back and read what I originally wrote.

there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it.

tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it.

LeeFXDWG 11-19-2020 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3160937)
i never said looking it up was a problem. Go back and read what I originally wrote.

there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it.

tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it.

GLS used to really be a pushed option in the ATIS at IAH. All of our 737s aren’t capable but used to ask for it for a few years when we had the option. In all aspects, just an ILS as far as flying it. Not difficult. Saw a number of anomalies during day VFR that required intervention so not really a fan. RNAV RNP and one day auto land from it will really be where we are headed IMO. I personally love the RNPs from downwind IAF. Quiet on the radio and the 737 flies them well.

Guppydriver95 11-19-2020 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3160937)
i never said looking it up was a problem. Go back and read what I originally wrote.

there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it.

tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it.

there’s a reason that the new “oral” has specific topics listed in it. Why? Because back in the day, scab check airmen and over zealous PI’s had their pet subjects, and if an answer wasn’t quickly produced to their satisfaction, they would down a guy. ALPA got involved and purged these D bags from TK, but some of the rationale on this thread is exactly the same crap they would spew. Here’s a hint: GLS’s are rare, regardless of whether or not it’s in the book. We have bold items and QRC items for a reason. So guys can’t get on a soap box and look down their noses at line guys who don’t memorize the stuff. My point’s been made. Time to put to is to bed, fellers.


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