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Hedley 11-18-2020 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3160176)
I’m glad you know you wouldn’t enjoy dealing with what NB captains must. I wish more of our pilots knew their personality limitations and would refrain from trying to manage when it is clear they cannot.

I find that this job is a ratio of hassle/reward. The difference between WB first officer and NB captain is only about $40k. To me it’s just not worth it. The up and down flying on the domestic side of the house actually beats me up much more than flying international (with the exception of South America, they kill me). Being a domestic captain would pay a few dollars more, but it would be more work and cost about 4-5 more days on the road as a commuter. I’ve also found that I really enjoy almost everything about WB flying. Having that choice is what makes this a pretty good job. I just hope that things improve soon and more people get to have that choice.

TodKindrsChikun 11-18-2020 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3160254)
I find that this job is a ratio of hassle/reward. The difference between WB first officer and NB captain is only about $40k. To me it’s just not worth it. The up and down flying on the domestic side of the house actually beats me up much more than flying international (with the exception of South America, they kill me). Being a domestic captain would pay a few dollars more, but it would be more work and cost about 4-5 more days on the road as a commuter. I’ve also found that I really enjoy almost everything about WB flying. Having that choice is what makes this a pretty good job. I just hope that things improve soon and more people get to have that choice.

Very fair assessment. Choice is good. NB flying isn’t for everyone just as is WB flying. For some the pleasure is flip flopping back and forth as their career progresses.

PerfInit 11-18-2020 06:54 AM

https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsld=93206

Historic day - FAA Updates on the Max Return

-Final FSB report published on FSIMS.
—FAA rescinded the “grounding” order
- AD published for RTS.

mmm123 11-18-2020 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3158964)
there were definitely different standards between the 2 airlines when we merged. 10 years later, we’ve punted the scabs, fixed the poor programs, and added better systems and FOM requirements to the footprints. It’s not perfect, but it’s better than it was.

Totally disagree with this statement. Training is not very good. JMO

bigfatdaddy 11-18-2020 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by mmm123 (Post 3160305)
Totally disagree with this statement. Training is not very good. JMO


troll...........

Hedley 11-18-2020 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by mmm123 (Post 3160305)
Totally disagree with this statement. Training is not very good. JMO

It’s much more consistent. I came from the CAL side, and while the 777 and 756 was pretty well run, the 737 was a disaster. I have never seen such inconsistency and sloppiness, both in training and on the line as what I saw back then. People on the line, including LCA’s didn’t even read checklist verbatim, and SOP’s were more of an ish-type of mentality. Instructors both in the school house and on the line regularly taught personal techniques as if they were book procedures. I don’t think that our current training department is any better or worse than Delta or American today, but it’s much, much better than what I went through at CAL.

mmm123 11-18-2020 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy (Post 3160320)
troll...........

Okay lol, it was an opinion and have been through plenty of tk courses. But hey think what you like.

Aviatorr 11-18-2020 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3158705)
it won’t affect training at all. There are 3 MAX sims sitting and doing nothing. All training will be done in those. Once all 737 pilots are trained in those 3 sims the amount of normal training that can be done will go way up.

since we didn’t furlough the instructor group there are more than enough instructors to handle it.

What he said, no problem at all!!

Vernon Demerest 11-18-2020 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3160333)
It’s much more consistent. I came from the CAL side, and while the 777 and 756 was pretty well run, the 737 was a disaster. I have never seen such inconsistency and sloppiness, both in training and on the line as what I saw back then. People on the line, including LCA’s didn’t even read checklist verbatim, and SOP’s were more of an ish-type of mentality. Instructors both in the school house and on the line regularly taught personal techniques as if they were book procedures. I don’t think that our current training department is any better or worse than Delta or American today, but it’s much, much better than what I went through at CAL.

I have to agree. I was a 756 instructor back at merger time and have been on the 737 for almost 8 years now and have seen a lot of progress on the 737 front. CAL 756 and 777 were great programs. 737 is improving continuously.

Airhoss 11-18-2020 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by mmm123 (Post 3160367)
Okay lol, it was an opinion and have been through plenty of tk courses. But hey think what you like.

My experience with TK training is from both an instructor and student. I find that those who complain about training at UAL are generally unprepared, weak, lazy or just an odd duck. This is my third major airline and the training here is far and away the best of the three. If you put in the slightest bit of effort every transition and or CQ event is a breeze and you’ll be fully prepared for the line. If you’re one of those contrary morons that wants to be spoon fed, you’re going to have issues.


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