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F15andMD11 12-19-2020 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3172628)
Thank your management for providing a better product. I could buy a ticket on United and enjoy a 2 hr flight on a E175 and then connect to a 2 hr flight on a CRJ 200, or I can spend the same money on the competition and ride on an A319 and a B717. It’s a pretty easy choice.

Both of your posts were very informative. Thank you very little. So what your saying is you can fly direct to a from any city on a mainline plane. Why do they even have Delta Connection? Lets see rando city pair, PWM-LGA-PIT. NOPE, no mainline! SO what's your point again?

Hedley 12-19-2020 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by F15andMD11 (Post 3172641)
Both of your posts were very informative. Thank you very little. So what your saying is you can fly direct to a from any city on a mainline plane. Why do they even have Delta Connection? Lets see rando city pair, PWM-LGA-PIT. NOPE, no mainline! SO what's your point again?

My point is that the odds of having a comfortable ride domestically are greater on Delta than United, especially to the smaller markets. They have the A220, 175’s, and just a handful of 50 seaters left to cover their small markets. We have no mainline 100 seat aircraft, fewer 175’s, and almost 300 of the 50 seaters running around. I enjoy earning a paycheck from United, but for right now, I’ll spend my money on Delta. Same dollars and a better ride for where I want to go. I’d much rather support United, but if it means 2 hours on a 50 seat jet, I’ll support our competition.

ReadOnly7 12-19-2020 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3172662)
....but if it means 2 hours on a 50 seat jet, I’ll support our competition.

Not to mention....the 50 seaters don’t have WiFi. How are you gonna post 20 times a day on APC with no WiFi?!
It’s a no-brainer.

CLazarus 12-19-2020 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3172665)
Not to mention....the 50 seaters don’t have WiFi. How are you gonna post 20 times a day on APC with no WiFi?!
It’s a no-brainer.

That made me laugh because it is too true. Well played sir!

ElCaribe 12-19-2020 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3172628)
Thank your management for providing a better product. I could buy a ticket on United and enjoy a 2 hr flight on a E175 and then connect to a 2 hr flight on a CRJ 200, or I can spend the same money on the competition and ride on an A319 and a B717. It’s a pretty easy choice.

I understand your point quite clearly and agree. I would just add that in certain hubs Delta does the same thing.

Hedley 12-20-2020 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3172665)
Not to mention....the 50 seaters don’t have WiFi. How are you gonna post 20 times a day on APC with no WiFi?!
It’s a no-brainer.

I’ll admit when I’ve been had. Very well played.

DashTrash 12-20-2020 07:24 AM

I think that SK is being honest with regard to the 50 seaters. Most of those airplanes are fairly old with a tremendous amount of cycles on each airframe. They’re not built like a 727. Also the lack of amenities like WiFi will help their egress out of our UAX fleet. Our customers have become accustomed to certain amenities and the 50 seaters don’t have that. Plus, they are constantly weight restricted.

I keep on holding out hope that Boeing discards the whole Guppious Maximus 10 idea. That’s about the dumbest idea ever with an airplane!!!

Hedley 12-20-2020 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 3172910)
I think that SK is being honest with regard to the 50 seaters. Most of those airplanes are fairly old with a tremendous amount of cycles on each airframe. They’re not built like a 727. Also the lack of amenities like WiFi will help their egress out of our UAX fleet. Our customers have become accustomed to certain amenities and the 50 seaters don’t have that. Plus, they are constantly weight restricted.

I keep on holding out hope that Boeing discards the whole Guppious Maximus 10 idea. That’s about the dumbest idea ever with an airplane!!!

I keep hoping that we’ll convert the max 10 order to 787’s to replace the 767 fleet and just get a bunch of 321 NEO’s to replace the 757, especially since the max 10 is now 3 years out. As to the 50 seaters, I think that Kirby wants them gone, but he wants more 175’s without having to pay a price. He can replace that lift by either adding a new NB type and getting more 175’s, or by increasing the current fleet with no additional rj’s, but he doesn’t like his available choices. All we need now is money to make the purchase in a world where we’re bleeding $20+ million per day.

pangolin 12-20-2020 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3172662)
My point is that the odds of having a comfortable ride domestically are greater on Delta than United, especially to the smaller markets. They have the A220, 175’s, and just a handful of 50 seaters left to cover their small markets. We have no mainline 100 seat aircraft, fewer 175’s, and almost 300 of the 50 seaters running around. I enjoy earning a paycheck from United, but for right now, I’ll spend my money on Delta. Same dollars and a better ride for where I want to go. I’d much rather support United, but if it means 2 hours on a 50 seat jet, I’ll support our competition.

Mngmt will blame pilots for scope.

DarkSideMoon 12-20-2020 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 3172910)
I think that SK is being honest with regard to the 50 seaters. Most of those airplanes are fairly old with a tremendous amount of cycles on each airframe. They’re not built like a 727. Also the lack of amenities like WiFi will help their egress out of our UAX fleet. Our customers have become accustomed to certain amenities and the 50 seaters don’t have that. Plus, they are constantly weight restricted.

I keep on holding out hope that Boeing discards the whole Guppious Maximus 10 idea. That’s about the dumbest idea ever with an airplane!!!

The 200’s have a lot of life left in them. Problem is airlines didn’t want to pay for one of the later heavy checks that was assumed to be cost prohibitive. AW scrapped a few then sent one to the check as a test. Ended up way under cost, that plane ended up back on the line. Not sure if WiFi is a technical issue on the plane or just the fact that no one wanted to pay for the install.

I’m not saying they’ll still be around in 3 years but there’s no imminent reason they have to go. They still make sense on short routes for frequency unless embraer delivers a next gen turboprop and a good media campaign.


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