Maybe now YOU and similar others, can understand not only how “silly” but also how ignorant it is to continue to advocate for others to bend to questionable ideas subjecting people to THEIR will. It’s literally tyrannical thought process hidden in a perverted sense of deciding for others what is good for them.

Let me also point his out, both the COVID and the recent elections have proven quite clearly that if something is said often and loud enough, regardless of its validity, people will conform and begin to believe it’s true.

This is similar and related to the “Stockholm Syndrome.” Make people hostages and they will eventually conform to their captors. It is part of the human existence and design.


But the idea of withdrawing from society and social contact to “protect” others maybe should be done and could quite possibly make the rest of us a bit more content. By doing so it prevents the unnecessary, unneeded and unwelcome projection of personal fears on others.

BTW good for you following company policy and FAA guidelines.

 

Wow... grabbing some highlights here: "silly and ignorant, tyranny, perverted sense of deciding for others, make people hostages, unwelcome projection of personal fears".

This is so awesome. I'm sure you felt the same about various other highly contagious diseases in the past. I'm sure you're at ease with hospitals that are reporting being at or even beyond capacity despite unprecedented measures because that's probably also "said often and loud enough, regardless of its validity" so it's probably really all just BS.

Perhaps you're an epidemiologist or perhaps were one previously or are married to one and know all about pandemics and know those docs feel they want their time in the spotlight and are always just talking s#!t, or maybe just political operatives even if they worked for the last half dozen administrations, or maybe they're gunning for a book deal.

Or maybe you read an article in some corner of the internet about that one or even few times where Fauci or one of the other "experts" (quotes for "so-called" am I right?) made a recommendation based on the known data at the time and then, god forbid, he changed his position!!! or recommendation based on new data or analysis - proving definitively that these "experts" are full of it and whatever your favorite flag waving non-lamestream media personality Patriot (capitalized when we're talking about True Patriots) says is definitely the Truth (capitalized of course when owning the libs) and wearing a mask is satan's way or Chavez' or Communism's way of destroying capitalism or our freedoms or something like that.

I mean, totally. You've got it figured out.

 

Drop the mike!

But seriously, you guys have some real first world problems over there!

 

Chuck D

You really need to get over yourself and let others live their lives.

BTW
The FAA language requirement is this:

“Be able to read, speak, write, and understand English”

 

So Chuck D since your so eager to project your prejudices and ideas on other with neither fact no a basis to do so let me point out a couple of things.

1. Most pilot s I know, which is admittedly a very limited sample, have told me they would wait to take the vaccine.
2. Close to 40% of the front line health workers, according to multiple people I know and again is a limited sample, have decided to opt out of initial vaccination against the virus and instead except greater limitations their employers have established for those who have opted out.
3. Dr. Fauci last week was vaccinated and encouraged all people to do so. He praised the efforts of the medical industry for their historic work in its development.

I personally intend to be vaccinated at the earliest possible time, however most of my family has said they will wait.

Now the questions for you panic stricken, authoritarian types demanding mandatory mask wearing in the cockpit.

1. Will you vaccinate ASAP to protect your fellow pilots?
2. If given a choice, which vaccine would you choose (Fauci, the expert, chose Moderna)?
3. Do you really care about others or is this really all about you?

 

1. Yes.
2. Either.
3. It's absolutely all about me and, more importantly, those whom I love and care about. The fact that it likely helps others too, is a bonus.

4. Why do you choose to accept the validity of the CDC's guidance as it relates to vaccinations, but not as it relates to mask usage? Is your intention to get vaccinated ASAP motivated by a concern for others or is it really all about you?

 

I respect the professionals around me and so I wear the mask. I don't want to, I am sure I could BS an argument against wearing one, and it might be worthless but it isn't an argument worth having. I can't imagine how tough life would be making everything into a huge dramatic debate. This is a pretty dumb hill to die on.

 

4. You are in great error here about what I do or don’t accept. Sadly that is a fault many of you have and it’s called “projecting your ideas on others.”

So I’ll answer the question about masks, which I have done quite clearly in the past. I reject blanket gross statements like “masks reduce the spread of COVID by 70%.” Why because on its own this statement makes little if any sense at all and by accepting it one demonstrates a lack of personal thinking. By its very nature it is herd mentality or group thought.

What I do, and encourage others to do, is to read the actual CDC statement and the associated cited studies referred to. Since most people never get to the CDC sight and then most who do make it there fail to actually look at and read the citations, confusion reigns.

In a nut shell all the cited mask studies, controlled and uncontrolled, essentially observe and come to the same conclusions. People who faithfully wear masks (BTW the type of mask and ability to filter virus sized particles had almost no effect) also follow in the same manner public distance standards (>= 1 meter), personal hygiene and the sanitization, before and after contact, of the environment they are in. Those who occasionally wear masks also fail to observe those same standards.

So what reduced the transmission of the Virus? It is clear masks, while true they reduce the vapor/fluid distance of the wearer, unless they are able to filter viral sized particles, are not what reduces transmission by anywhere even close to 70%. What they clearly are associated with are those who faithfully maintain distance and cleanliness standards also wear masks in the same manner.

Even the State of California states the same so clearly on their web site. Masks therefore are a reminder to do the things which slow the transmission amongst humans. As I have also previously stated, those who don’t want to get or transfer the virus from or to other only one solution works, avoid or prevent contact with it though isolation (something foreign countries have successfully done in some very draconian and un-USA ways) or maintaining at least 1 meter or greater in public place and among people you want to protect.

Now do I do this? Yes, accept with people I know and are in agreement with closer contact. Do I wear masks in public? Yes because so many people are terrified they will get the worst sickness since the great plague.

I do not wear masks in my car, house, or outdoors when alone or with people who are also in agreement.
I do not look down on nor “narc” on those who reject masks or any form of distancing and hygienic care. Let them make their own decisions.
When in foreign countries I respect and follow their established regulations because I am a guest.

I also believe all of this clearly fulfills the CDC guidance to reduce the spread of the virus.

What about cockpits? If you think masks will prevent you from getting the virus then have at it. But, and this is the point of this thread (drifted from), if you think being locked up in a small area well beyond the CDC recommend 15 minutes masks will prevent an infection and therefore you have the right to demand others to comply with those demands, well you are wrong and delusional.

Now let me ask this, do you all actually sanitize the cockpit both before and after you have done your work? I do and believe by doing so, per CDC guidelines and cited studies, I will at least give the next pilot a chance to soil his own surroundings without any contribution from me.

BTW I am getting vaccinated not for myself, because frankly I believe the statistical risk of death and permanent illness has been well documented and is minimal from the virus. I will get vaccinated to not spread the virus and help get the Nation and world back to some resemblance of normalcy, including no masks at all. This will employ hundreds of millions who are suffering financially while you and I continue to get paid as pilots.

Others need for us to be vaccinated!

 

*you’re
*ACCEPT

🙄 not really a grammar Nazi anymore, but your jack-assery has forced me out of retirement.

 

A previous poster referred to this debate as a silly hill to die on (paraphrasing). I couldn't agree more, and that's why I suffer the discomfort of mask-wearing in the flight deck. My discomfort is nothing compared to the grief of so many right now.