I curious as to how you think that can be proven without interfering with a Company’s right to hire who the wish based on the “fit” of a candidate for example. How would you prove the violation in your hypothetical?

Amen brutha.


Anywho, sorry to disrupt the race/sex-baiting and schoolyard insults but I just thought I'd point something out.


In the next decade, the announced 50% goal seems to be almost unobtainable considering where we are starting from as of this week. And yet, that might be wholly intentional. For whatever reason, sooner or hopefully much later someone is not going to make it through the Aviate program or reach it to UAL. A lawsuit or several will probably result. If charged with discrimination UAL will have an excellent defense at the ready: "We sincerely wanted this disadvantaged pilot to make it through the program and help meet our publicly announced hiring target... but he/she just didn't meet our uncompromising performance standards." Seems like a good defense to me.


Now, give me time to step out of the way of any renewed mud slinging. I've got to keep my hat and jacket clean another week.

When the prosecutions for the insurgents start, many people are going to get an in-depth education on RICO.

So you have to experience something to be able to have an opinion on it? “If you’ve never been murdered, you may not participate in a discussion about murder.” Makes sense.

Also, most female pilots I know have not had either of those things happen. In fact I’m willing to bet occurrences like that are a tiny fraction of interactions between male evaluators or interviewers with female applicants, and in line with the percentage of those types of interactions in any other workplace outside of aviation (no data to back that up, but I’ve never heard of some rampant BJ seeking culture in the checkride world, and I don’t buy it). And, I assume each time it occurred with all the female pilots you know, the checkride/interview was stopped, cops called, and the said perp arrested, or supervisors informed, etc? If I went to go take a check ride or interview and some dude told me I had to blow him to pass, that’d be a pretty easy problem set to deal with for me, regardless of my gender.

Because United announced they're hiring based on race and gender.

No they didn’t, and even if they did, a mere announcement is not sufficient. No one has been harmed. But more importantly, that is not what United announced.

Another one??

Dear self appointed Hall monitor(s), this is a place for people to openly exchange ideas. They used to do this on college campuses until speakers were run off, or assaulted, by arbiters of truth who decided what others were ‘allowed’ to hear.

Apparently the Mods don’t share your need to ‘cancel’ whatever discussions you deem disagreeable. If hearing other perspectives upsets you, then I suggest you stop reading and go to your safe space. In the meantime, if it’s ok with you, other less sensitive APC participants might like to continue having an adult conversation.

Right on cue.

Not saying it never happened but to say ‘most, and more than once” sounds like a gross exaggeration. I’ve been in the business for decades and have many female pilot friends. Never heard it. Not to say there aren’t desperate low-life’s out there, but don’t think men are the only ones that use sex as a tool, or weapon, or that it’s limited to aviation.

“One academic study showed that as many as 40 percent of sexual assault charges are false”.
https://apnews.com/article/b5c40b513...app1%26hl%3Den

The difference today being that woman are to be believed without question which could be scary if you’re a male instructor or check airman with United’s ambitious recruitment and training plans. It only takes one accusation or harassment complaint these days...

UAL introduces a LONG term program that will allow them to groom future unionized employees as they see fit from the get-go. Said employees will have an astonishing amount of enthusiasm for Mother U once they get their "Wings with Elroy".

Todd goes along with it. He has his eyes on a desk in Willis or, HERNDON. (What a joke, but that's another thread)

Pilots on APC wax political and use all their big "woke" words in a fit of PC umbrage. Spittle and snot fly into space! Pilots forget that all they do is fly the shiny machines.

Rush smiles in his grave.

45 pages!

Kirby and the board laugh.

Goals become quotas. And it becomes an exploitation of women, pushing them into showpieces regardless of if they are really qualified or not for the advancement of their (usually male) seniors.

See Kara Hultgreen.
https://www.cmrlink.org/data/sites/8...RPT09-0695.pdf