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Mudge 04-07-2021 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 3218198)
The short answer is yes, although we all know it's far more complicated. There is not one single thing standing in the way of women becoming pilots other than personal choice. Men are naturally drawn to jobs such as this and there are jobs that tend to be more attractive to women. Lots of science and research to back this up.

Why is no one concerned about male equity in female dominated fields? Just curious...

I demand racial and gender equality in pro sports too.. Why can't a 110 lb Asian woman be a lineman? If we're going full retard, let's go all the way everywhere.

Flydafe 04-07-2021 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 3218208)
My observations, first, I do not believe that we can train anyone to be a pilot. And, standards MAY fall because they have fallen in the past.

The guys below knew a lot more about flying airplanes than just pushing GD buttons and following the magenta line.

1. Captain Dave Cronin on UA 811.
2. Captain Al Haynes on UA 232.

I bet those guys did not become who they were over night and seeing that they are captains they prolly have thousands of hours of experience that they built upon. Those Aviate academy kids will be fine and will not have a need to compromise any training standards.

MOGuy 04-07-2021 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3218147)
My wife is a DVM my daughter just got accepted to Vet school. 55% of veterinarians in the US are women. MD’s and DO’s are about 50/50 male to female ratio. If commercial aviation was a desirable job for women there’d be far more female pilots. The educational requirements and hard work needed to get into Vet school or Med school are off the charts. That isn’t holding back women from pursuing those career fields.

The main barrier holding people back from becoming airline pilots is the murky and uncertain path involved in getting to the jobs that pay a descent wage. If you go to Med school or Vet school and you graduate you’ll always have a job, you’ll have the ability to hang a shingle and run your own business. If you don’t like the practice or hospital you are working for you can move along and do better for yourself. You can set up shop anywhere you’d like to live.

Airline careers involve a huge outlay of time and or money to become qualified with ZERO guarantee that you’ll ever get a descent job. Once you do get hired by a major you have zero flexibility to move on if your airline turns into a turd. And your basing choices are set in stone and inflexible. You are away from home for long periods of time making raising a family problematic.

This career has some serious barriers to entry none of which are race or sex based. It’s a very unique lifestyle that doesn’t appeal to many people. And while the money can be good it’s not a career in which you are in control of you destiny or your financial future. You are at the whim of the airline unto which you are betrothed and then become the chattel of. If that once great airline starts to suck then your career starts to suck too no fault of your own. That’s not the case with other licensed professionals such as doctors, lawyers etc. Not having the flexibility to move on is a huge downer with this career. Other professionals can move on without having to start at the bottom of the seniority list.

Just as an example there is never a time and there has never been a time since we’ve been married that my wife doesn’t have two to three equal or better job opportunities in here back pocket. Everywhere we’ve moved chasing my aviation career she’s had a job within a day if she wanted one.

wholly agree with this. Nearly everyone I know could pick up and move almost anywhere and have a job without having to start at ground zero. It’s probably one of the most ******ed things in the 121 world. At least in 91 and some 135 you can transfer and negotiate a salary. My buddy just went from flying a Falcon to a Gulstream and based on his experience negotiated a much better comp package. What a funny concept!

when you tell people we don’t have that ability I get looked at like I’m insane...

ThumbsUp 04-07-2021 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3218075)
Not sure exactly how they’re defining “people of color”, but 40% of our country’s population is non-white. Around 50% are women. It shouldn’t be too hard to fill half a class with other than white dudes without sacrificing standards.

Like it or not, college and med school admissions in particular have shown that in order to forcibly diversify a career field, you have to lower standards. Now, it’s completely debatable as to whether lowering standards to a degree will appreciably affect the final product, but standards are lower nonetheless. If they weren’t, the vast majority of matriculants to medical school would be Asian. Perhaps though, it would motivate the others to work harder.

https://www.aamc.org/media/6066/download

flightmedic01 04-07-2021 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Mudge (Post 3218209)
I demand racial and gender equality in pro sports too.. Why can't a 110 lb Asian woman be a lineman? If we're going full retard, let's go all the way everywhere.

Best post of the day!! 👍

Flydafe 04-07-2021 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3218218)
Like it or not, college and med school admissions in particular have shown that in order to forcibly diversify a career field, you have to lower standards. Now, it’s completely debatable as to whether lowering standards to a degree will appreciably affect the final product, but standards are lower nonetheless. If they weren’t, the vast majority of matriculants to medical school would be Asian. Perhaps though, it would motivate the others to work harder.

https://www.aamc.org/media/6066/download

What we have is a trade..does not require a college degree. The standards will not go down because of diversity. What makes you think that standards will go down due to Aviate kids learning to fly Cessnas or more women and diverse people flying in the cockpit of passenger jets? They all have completed the training and have an ATP plus years of existence by the time they reach the airline level.

China sends their youth to America to fly then gives them jobs. Mexico the same for the most part. Planes are not falling out of the sky.

Varsity 04-07-2021 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Flydafe (Post 3218199)
I’ve had flight control failures and a pitch trim runway..a landing gear issue but nothing life threatening but all with passengers onboard. Thank goodness the airline trained us for emergencies and how to follow a QRH. Can you imagine if the airline didn’t have SOP and emergency procedures?

Thank goodness for all of the prior pilot training from private to ATP and the standards.

All the pilot training from private to ATP?

This has to be a joke.

Flydafe 04-07-2021 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3218226)
All the pilot training from private to ATP?

This has to be a joke.

Yes.. did you skip a grade to get your ATP...lol. What I’m saying is those training gates gave to be made before any of us could step foot in a 121 cockpit and all of those training progressions require passing a common standard.

Varsity 04-07-2021 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Flydafe (Post 3218227)
Yes.. did you skip a grade to get your ATP...lol. What I’m saying is those training gates gave to be made before any of us could step foot in a 121 cockpit and all of those training progressions require passing a common standard.

CFI's with ATP's aren't competent jet pilots. One regional has had 4 runway excursions in the last 16 months, with about 1/8th the fleet size of any legacy.

Andy Dufresne 04-07-2021 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by SonicCarhop (Post 3218191)
So in your opinion, the reason that women are pilots at a 1:10 ratio to men is because there is some sort of biology that limits a woman's desire/interest in becoming a pilot

Absolutely. Anyone who argues otherwise is not interested in science or truth.

Men and women are wired differently, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.


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