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Andy Dufresne 04-07-2021 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3218273)
Explain to me what about having XX chromasomes means you are destined to be more likely a nurse than a pilot. Absent society's influence, it should be much much closer to even.

The literal chemical makeup of a woman's brain leads her to be more empathetic and more nurturing. There are countless peer reviewed studies about this. It's evolutionary.

AAL763 04-07-2021 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3218273)
Explain to me what about having XX chromasomes means you are destined to be more likely a nurse than a pilot. Absent society's influence, it should be much much closer to even.

Science has proven my point time and time again. As the guy above me stated, women and men are wired differently. It’s been that way since life began, and it will be that way until the end of days. Women are wired to be more of a nurturer by nature. Therefore, it makes sense that the vast majority of them will also take jobs that suit those ideals: nurses, teachers, etc.

Andy Dufresne 04-07-2021 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3218276)
Y'all are making me nuts about this. They are proposing more outreach programs to achieve diversity. As in, encouraging more people to do the jobs, meeting women and people of color who are pilots. You're gonna tell me promoting things like field trips, discovery flights and cockpit tours etc are too woke??

Never ONE TIME has anyone suggested that we should simply waive the performance requirements for being a pilot.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, until the "goal" becomes a "quota" and John Q Qualified Pilot is overlooked for Adrianna Q Pilot with multiple checkride or training failures - for the sake of checking a box.

It's already happening in the rest of Corporate America. It doesn't work in Aviation. Outreach is absolutely not an issue. Selective hiring based on race/gender is.

GA2Jets 04-07-2021 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne (Post 3218278)
The literal chemical makeup of a woman's brain leads her to be more empathetic and more nurturing. There are countless peer reviewed studies about this. It's evolutionary.

But not 10x more, no. The discrepancy in aviation isn't a small gradient, it's huge! If you want to defend a 60/40 ratio, we can have a discussion about brain chem. But 95/5? Riddle me that.

KonaJoe 04-07-2021 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by AAL763 (Post 3218280)
Science has proven my point time and time again. As the guy above me stated, women and men are wired differently. It’s been that way since life began, and it will be that way until the end of days. Women are wired to be more of a nurturer by nature. Therefore, it makes sense that the vast majority of them will also take jobs that suit those ideals: nurses, teachers, etc.

That's the irony. The woke "we love science!" crowd hates biology, neuroscience, psychology, endocrinology.....

Women have to make huge sacrifices to become pilots, and the ones I know who chose to pursue this career vs. raising kids are excellent pilots. But they are also often unmarried and have no children. And they're OK with that. More power to 'em.

The biggest irony is that the feminist crowd is now more concerned about advocating for biological men than biological women. But that's a whole other topic.

AAL763 04-07-2021 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3218276)
Y'all are making me nuts about this. They are proposing more outreach programs to achieve diversity. As in, encouraging more people to do the jobs, meeting women and people of color who are pilots. You're gonna tell me promoting things like field trips, discovery flights and cockpit tours etc are too woke??

Never ONE TIME has anyone suggested that we should simply waive the performance requirements for being a pilot.

We’ve been promoting things like that for decades now. This isn’t that. This is putting up a barrier to entry into the training program to applicants who don’t meet HR’s preferred skin color/genital makeup. And it may be a hard concept to grasp for many of the social justice warriors out there, but there is a HUGE difference between qualified (e.g. meeting the minimum requirements) and being the most-qualified. In order to meet the numbers they’re proposing, there will have to be sacrifices made in that regard. If It is for entry into basic flight training, the standards that will be lowered may not be flight time (they won’t have any), rather it will be high school/college grades, extra-curriculars, volunteer experiences, etc.

SonicCarhop 04-07-2021 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by AAL763 (Post 3218259)
Perhaps because women are, by their nature, prone to want to have children and raise them? A flying career makes that pretty damn hard to do. Hence, why you just won’t find the number of women interested in the job as you will men. It’s not some secret sexist plan to suppress women from the cockpit, it’s just human nature. Last time I checked, there weren’t any barriers to entry into flight schools if you were a certain race/gender. Oh wait.... Now there will be if you are a white male....

Regarding the financial barriers, do minorities/women not have access to loans, or are loans only available to white males? I also can recall the numerous scholarship opportunities at UND/ERAU available ONLY to women and/or POC. Some barrier I tell ya...

I would disagree, beyond pregnancy/childbirth, there's nothing biologically different between men and women that makes one want to raise their children more. No I'm not saying there is some secret sexist plan, but just look back at history and society's expectations for men and women.

Good article here with more info https://www.cntraveler.com/story/why...-female-pilots

Andy Dufresne 04-07-2021 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3218283)
But not 10x more, no. The discrepancy in aviation isn't a small gradient, it's huge! If you want to defend a 60/40 ratio, we can have a discussion about brain chem. But 95/5? Riddle me that.

Do you have any scientific peer reviewed research that shows a large percentage of women being wired differently from their evolutionary counterparts?

Again, it should be a huge discrepancy based on a myriad of factors - several of which have already been discussed.

SonicCarhop 04-07-2021 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne (Post 3218282)
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, until the "goal" becomes a "quota" and John Q Qualified Pilot is overlooked for Adrianna Q Pilot with multiple checkride or training failures - for the sake of checking a box.

It's already happening in the rest of Corporate America. It doesn't work in Aviation. Outreach is absolutely not an issue. Selective hiring based on race/gender is.

Agree with you, selective hiring based on race/gender is an issue. But that's not what this is. This is acceptance into a program that has a goal of 50% women and minorities in the program, all of whom must presumably meet whatever requirements there are.

AAL763 04-07-2021 09:21 AM

P.S. - Obama’s FAA tried this same **** just 6 years ago in regards to ATC hiring. They just packaged it up a different way. They got rid of the CTI school/military requirement and instead instituted a biographical questionnaire that was actively seeking out less qualified individuals. If you got good grades, were good at math, played multiple sports, multiple extra-curriculars, you scored less points than those who did not. The stated goal from the FAA themselves? To “diversify the workforce”. As you can imagine, the washout rate at the FAA academy went through the roof. Hell, many of them failed the drug test after on boarding, or just never even bothered to show up.


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