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Andy 10-28-2021 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3314068)
I know a guy who had a serious vaccine reaction last year to a flu shot, life threatening in fact. His doctor’s strong advice was to not take the COVID or any other vaccine. The DEN flight office’s attitude was “not our problem’ get the COVID shot or lose your job. He applied for and received a medical accommodation which is; you can keep your job but you’ll be on unpaid leave indefinitely.

He wound up taking the shot and is having severe long term issues from it.

Some of the assumptive crappie I’m reading here is just ignorant drivel. Not everyone who is adverse to taking the shot is “self absorbed”. There are rare yet serious medical issues for at least a few.

Sorry to hear that. Hope he'll be OK.
I had Covid and got the shot in spite of testing positive for antibodies. However, I still think it's every person's choice whether or not to get vaccinated.

fadec 10-28-2021 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3314883)
1. Kirby has said that he believes in the vaccine and that every letter he has written to the family of an employ that died from covid was for an unvaccinated employee.

Absolutely. Kirby necessarily weilds the kind of authoritarian control over his employees typically reserved for battlefield commanders. A family shouldn't trust their loved ones to make such critical medical decisions for themselves. Who's gonna explain to their family why they died? Who's going to be responsible for that? Every time I go to work my family understands that my life is completely in Kirby's hands. I'm glad to see it's not a responsibility he takes lightly. I know his decisions are in the best interest of our wider family and our shared mission. No one should have to receive one of these letters ever again.

AxlF16 11-08-2021 02:53 PM

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Airhoss 11-08-2021 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by fadec (Post 3315131)
Absolutely. Kirby necessarily weilds the kind of authoritarian control over his employees typically reserved for battlefield commanders.

Nope……This is not a battle field this is a job. Kirby is a CEO not a battle field commander. You need to come back to reality.

[QUOTE]A family shouldn't trust their loved ones to make such critical medical decisions for themselves. [\QUOTE]
Is Kirby your medical power of attorney? Your medical decisions are those of you and your family exclusively. If you’re entrusting a CEO to make your medical decisions for you… You’ve got some major issues.

[QUOTE]Every time I go to work my family understands that my life is completely in Kirby's hands.[\QUOTE]
WHAT?????? Are you on mind altering medication and or should you be? Your life is in your hands not the hands of some corporate CEO whom you have an apparent grandiose fantasy that he’s some kind of a god!

While Kirby talks a good game he doesn’t put his money where his mouth is. Get a hold of the COVID peeps and let them know that you’ve got a case of the sniffles. Even with a negative COVID test you’ll be grounded for 10 days. See if the old Kribster is willing to reimburse the sick leave you were forced to use. Buzz kill… He won’t. Hey how about reporting that you were in close contact with a COVID positive person. That’s a 14 day grounding and guess what Virgina, UAL won’t cover the sick time you’re forced to use.

Best interest my ASH!

Hedley 11-08-2021 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3320358)

While Kirby talks a good game he doesn’t put his money where his mouth is. Get a hold of the COVID peeps and let them know that you’ve got a case of the sniffles. Even with a negative COVID test you’ll be grounded for 10 days. See if the old Kribster is willing to reimburse the sick leave you were forced to use. Buzz kill… He won’t. Hey how about reporting that you were in close contact with a COVID positive person. That’s a 14 day grounding and guess what Virgina, UAL won’t cover the sick time you’re forced to use.

Best interest my ASH!

And that’s exactly why people don’t report exposure or symptoms without a positive test. I can’t say that I blame them. It would be a great way to really burn your sick bank down to zero if you’re close to retirement.

Airhoss 11-09-2021 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3320364)
And that’s exactly why people don’t report exposure or symptoms without a positive test. I can’t say that I blame them. It would be a great way to really burn your sick bank down to zero if you’re close to retirement.

Bazingo!!!

Airhoss 11-09-2021 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3320364)
And that’s exactly why people don’t report exposure or symptoms without a positive test. I can’t say that I blame them. It would be a great way to really burn your sick bank down to zero if you’re close to retirement.

The policy as it stands completely destroys its effectiveness and purpose. If Kirby really wanted to prevent COVID-19 by grounding any pilot with symptoms he’d be covering used sick list time, sick list that you will be FORCED to use whether you are still sick or not. As the policy stands being a boy scout and reporting yourself for cold or flu like symptoms is punitive.

Hedley 11-09-2021 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3320526)
The policy as it stands completely destroys its effectiveness and purpose. If Kirby really wanted to prevent COVID-19 by grounding any pilot with symptoms he’d be covering used sick list time, sick list that you will be FORCED to use whether you are still sick or not. As the policy stands being a boy scout and reporting yourself for cold or flu like symptoms is punitive.

I agree completely, but I’m betting that this Boy Scout is off for Christmas this year. There will probably be a bunch of sniffles and flu like symptoms around then. Cough.

jtbost 11-09-2021 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3320531)
I agree completely, but I’m betting that this Boy Scout is off for Christmas this year. There will probably be a bunch of sniffles and flu like symptoms around then. Cough.

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Smart....F it up for everybody. Especially your fellow pilots and our passengers. I can see the single pilot and no pilot issue being put on the fast track.

Hedley 11-09-2021 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by jtbost (Post 3320547)
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Smart....F it up for everybody. Especially your fellow pilots and our passengers. I can see the single pilot and no pilot issue being put on the fast track.

Save the industry and the profession if you want. I’m burning my sick time and not leaving this place with one minute in my bank. It’s part of our negotiated compensation package, and I intend to use it.


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