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Old 12-15-2021 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
And a massive amount of money, both in acquisition and ongoing costs integrating all those pilots on their current longevity on mainline pay scales. Acquisition costs of a $1.8bn company (plus the acquisition premium), plus their debt, plus the fees owed to terminate the DCI/AE/AS contracts…I just don’t see how that would be financially viable, even if Kirby had the biggest stones on earth.
They have 1B in the bank to soften the blow, plus you could slowly squeeze the feed out of the competition hehe..No union they have no say. Massive stones indeed.
Old 12-15-2021 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Living in domicile, you’d probably forget you worked for United, grow a Santa
-sized beard to shave off for landings class every 3 months and occasionally get your days off rolled.
Sounds good to me.
Old 12-15-2021 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
This is not what the manufacturers are saying, but we will see.

Don't forget, the majority of these are not growth, but to replace an outdated fleet. United keeps forgetting to mention that.

71 - Airbus 320s that will be ~26 years old in in 2023
32 - 767-300s that will be ~28 years old in 2023
21 - 757-200s that will be ~27 years old in 2023

United has one of the most outdated fleets in the industry. It will take a decade, and billions of dollars to replace all of this, especially with the delivery delays and supply chain shortages that will delay manufacturing for the next 3-5 years.

Once all 83 of the 757/767 are gone by 2024, wide body flying at UAL will be much different than it is today.
You have some interesting views, unfortunately not based in reality or any announced plans. The planes that are coming in 2023 are both growth and replacement, but not replacement for any of the aircraft on your list. they are for replacing 50 seaters at the express feeders and growth.

If you think that all of the 757 and 767 fleet will be gone by 2024 then you are doom and gloom to end all doom and gloom. I would bet your next paycheck (mine is already spent) that the 756 fleet will be alive and well at the end of 2024. Will they eventually go away? of course. Does that mean that UAs widebody flying is going to be "much different" than today, I doubt it. We have more 777s than any US carrier, we have more 787s than any US carrier..... What is going to replace the 767, I don't know. Boeing has made a mess of that, but that doesn't mean that UA will just park the 767s and say "oh well, guess we can't fly to those places anymore."

Will the planes coming in 2024 and beyond likely be used for replacement of some mainline aircraft, sure, but the only way the aircraft you mention will be gone that quickly is if there is another cataclysmic event.

The main reason our fleet is "older" than the other majors is because we did not park any fleets during COVID. If you are now trying to say that keeping the fleets was a bad idea and we as pilots should be ****ed, then I question if you are a pilot???
Old 12-15-2021 | 11:36 AM
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what part do you live in? I looked at the WaWa cup many times on the dash in your picture and think how much I miss that coffee!

I grew up in Wilmington and still travel back that way a good bit. I tried to get my wife to move but then Covid came along and I thought I was getting furloughed and now I’m locked into a small crappy town in Texas…..Delaware it’s two hours from everything.
Old 12-15-2021 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 82spukram
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what part do you live in? I looked at the WaWa cup many times on the dash in your picture and think how much I miss that coffee!

I grew up in Wilmington and still travel back that way a good bit. I tried to get my wife to move but then Covid came along and I thought I was getting furloughed and now I’m locked into a small crappy town in Texas…..Delaware it’s two hours from everything.
I live about 9 miles on the 220 Radial off the DOV TACAN. Come on back...it's still cheap living! I spent a year in a small town in Texas...that was good enough for me.
Old 12-15-2021 | 12:54 PM
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Just something I've talked with others about recently, and flame away if you wish, but United could fill their pilot shortage issue while hurting their legacy competition at the same time with one simple move. Offer Delta and AA pilots a class date without jumping through all the hoops of the whole interview process, instead just a standard background check.

I flew military, then regional, now at a legacy. At this point I really have no desire to play the application and interview game and am quite happy where I'm at. But... if United said we recognize everything you've done to get where you are, why don't you come here and we'll simply stick you in ______ class... that could be tempting. In place for giving up current seniority, they make it a painless process. They add a legacy pilot while creating an empty seat for the competition to fill. Win-win.
Old 12-15-2021 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rroku
Just something I've talked with others about recently, and flame away if you wish, but United could fill their pilot shortage issue while hurting their legacy competition at the same time with one simple move. Offer Delta and AA pilots a class date without jumping through all the hoops of the whole interview process, instead just a standard background check.

I flew military, then regional, now at a legacy. At this point I really have no desire to play the application and interview game and am quite happy where I'm at. But... if United said we recognize everything you've done to get where you are, why don't you come here and we'll simply stick you in ______ class... that could be tempting. In place for giving up current seniority, they make it a painless process. They add a legacy pilot while creating an empty seat for the competition to fill. Win-win.
I absolutely understand the sentiment and agree on many levels.

However, that would require the HR world to admit that they aren't needed, so this has a precisely 0% chance of ever happening.
Old 12-15-2021 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
This question has to be framed whether you live in domicile or not. As a commuter, you’d be on reserve for many years, which would suck the life out of you. Living in domicile, you’d probably forget you worked for United, grow a Santa
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Is shaving for landings class a requirement, a courtesy or a covert effort to stay under the radar..?
Old 12-15-2021 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rightside02
777/787 living in base RSV is a damn good gig, can play the game and work very little and go to TK to do landings .
How do you play the game? Try to pick up fsb to be dropped to the bottom of the list?
Old 12-15-2021 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by C-17 Driver
such as the often overlooked and forgotten great state of Delaware. 2:20 to IAD and 2:30 to EWR. I don't pack a bag when on short call.
C-17 tendencies aside, that Wawa cup identifies you as a man of class, yet sensible. I hope you enjoyed Free Coffee Tuesday yesterday.

Excargo, the prices are one thing, but check Denver housing as well, that’s no peach (median $565k currently projected $650k by the end of next year), yet there’s no problem filling vacancies there.

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