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#21
And a massive amount of money, both in acquisition and ongoing costs integrating all those pilots on their current longevity on mainline pay scales. Acquisition costs of a $1.8bn company (plus the acquisition premium), plus their debt, plus the fees owed to terminate the DCI/AE/AS contracts…I just don’t see how that would be financially viable, even if Kirby had the biggest stones on earth.
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This is not what the manufacturers are saying, but we will see.
Don't forget, the majority of these are not growth, but to replace an outdated fleet. United keeps forgetting to mention that.
71 - Airbus 320s that will be ~26 years old in in 2023
32 - 767-300s that will be ~28 years old in 2023
21 - 757-200s that will be ~27 years old in 2023
United has one of the most outdated fleets in the industry. It will take a decade, and billions of dollars to replace all of this, especially with the delivery delays and supply chain shortages that will delay manufacturing for the next 3-5 years.
Once all 83 of the 757/767 are gone by 2024, wide body flying at UAL will be much different than it is today.
Don't forget, the majority of these are not growth, but to replace an outdated fleet. United keeps forgetting to mention that.
71 - Airbus 320s that will be ~26 years old in in 2023
32 - 767-300s that will be ~28 years old in 2023
21 - 757-200s that will be ~27 years old in 2023
United has one of the most outdated fleets in the industry. It will take a decade, and billions of dollars to replace all of this, especially with the delivery delays and supply chain shortages that will delay manufacturing for the next 3-5 years.
Once all 83 of the 757/767 are gone by 2024, wide body flying at UAL will be much different than it is today.
If you think that all of the 757 and 767 fleet will be gone by 2024 then you are doom and gloom to end all doom and gloom. I would bet your next paycheck (mine is already spent) that the 756 fleet will be alive and well at the end of 2024. Will they eventually go away? of course. Does that mean that UAs widebody flying is going to be "much different" than today, I doubt it. We have more 777s than any US carrier, we have more 787s than any US carrier..... What is going to replace the 767, I don't know. Boeing has made a mess of that, but that doesn't mean that UA will just park the 767s and say "oh well, guess we can't fly to those places anymore."
Will the planes coming in 2024 and beyond likely be used for replacement of some mainline aircraft, sure, but the only way the aircraft you mention will be gone that quickly is if there is another cataclysmic event.
The main reason our fleet is "older" than the other majors is because we did not park any fleets during COVID. If you are now trying to say that keeping the fleets was a bad idea and we as pilots should be ****ed, then I question if you are a pilot???
#24
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what part do you live in? I looked at the WaWa cup many times on the dash in your picture and think how much I miss that coffee!
I grew up in Wilmington and still travel back that way a good bit. I tried to get my wife to move but then Covid came along and I thought I was getting furloughed and now I’m locked into a small crappy town in Texas…..Delaware it’s two hours from everything.
what part do you live in? I looked at the WaWa cup many times on the dash in your picture and think how much I miss that coffee!
I grew up in Wilmington and still travel back that way a good bit. I tried to get my wife to move but then Covid came along and I thought I was getting furloughed and now I’m locked into a small crappy town in Texas…..Delaware it’s two hours from everything.
#25
C17
what part do you live in? I looked at the WaWa cup many times on the dash in your picture and think how much I miss that coffee!
I grew up in Wilmington and still travel back that way a good bit. I tried to get my wife to move but then Covid came along and I thought I was getting furloughed and now I’m locked into a small crappy town in Texas…..Delaware it’s two hours from everything.
what part do you live in? I looked at the WaWa cup many times on the dash in your picture and think how much I miss that coffee!
I grew up in Wilmington and still travel back that way a good bit. I tried to get my wife to move but then Covid came along and I thought I was getting furloughed and now I’m locked into a small crappy town in Texas…..Delaware it’s two hours from everything.
#26
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Joined: Dec 2021
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Just something I've talked with others about recently, and flame away if you wish, but United could fill their pilot shortage issue while hurting their legacy competition at the same time with one simple move. Offer Delta and AA pilots a class date without jumping through all the hoops of the whole interview process, instead just a standard background check.
I flew military, then regional, now at a legacy. At this point I really have no desire to play the application and interview game and am quite happy where I'm at. But... if United said we recognize everything you've done to get where you are, why don't you come here and we'll simply stick you in ______ class... that could be tempting. In place for giving up current seniority, they make it a painless process. They add a legacy pilot while creating an empty seat for the competition to fill. Win-win.
I flew military, then regional, now at a legacy. At this point I really have no desire to play the application and interview game and am quite happy where I'm at. But... if United said we recognize everything you've done to get where you are, why don't you come here and we'll simply stick you in ______ class... that could be tempting. In place for giving up current seniority, they make it a painless process. They add a legacy pilot while creating an empty seat for the competition to fill. Win-win.
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Just something I've talked with others about recently, and flame away if you wish, but United could fill their pilot shortage issue while hurting their legacy competition at the same time with one simple move. Offer Delta and AA pilots a class date without jumping through all the hoops of the whole interview process, instead just a standard background check.
I flew military, then regional, now at a legacy. At this point I really have no desire to play the application and interview game and am quite happy where I'm at. But... if United said we recognize everything you've done to get where you are, why don't you come here and we'll simply stick you in ______ class... that could be tempting. In place for giving up current seniority, they make it a painless process. They add a legacy pilot while creating an empty seat for the competition to fill. Win-win.
I flew military, then regional, now at a legacy. At this point I really have no desire to play the application and interview game and am quite happy where I'm at. But... if United said we recognize everything you've done to get where you are, why don't you come here and we'll simply stick you in ______ class... that could be tempting. In place for giving up current seniority, they make it a painless process. They add a legacy pilot while creating an empty seat for the competition to fill. Win-win.
However, that would require the HR world to admit that they aren't needed, so this has a precisely 0% chance of ever happening.
#28
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This question has to be framed whether you live in domicile or not. As a commuter, you’d be on reserve for many years, which would suck the life out of you. Living in domicile, you’d probably forget you worked for United, grow a Santa
-sized beard to shave off for landings class every 3 months and occasionally get your days off rolled.
-sized beard to shave off for landings class every 3 months and occasionally get your days off rolled.
#30
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Excargo, the prices are one thing, but check Denver housing as well, that’s no peach (median $565k currently projected $650k by the end of next year), yet there’s no problem filling vacancies there.




