Here Come the Widebodies
12-03-2022 | 11:44 AM
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FAR 117 class 1 bunk is 78”x30”. The A350 standard bunk is curved at the end and isn’t 78” the whole edge at the bottom. Allows easier entry/exit to bunk. Not as good as 777.
https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/...r/ac_117-1.pdf
https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/...r/ac_117-1.pdf
12-03-2022 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain;[url=tel:3542690
3542690]FAR 117 class 1 bunk is 78”x30”. The A350 standard bunk is curved at the end and isn’t 78” the whole edge at the bottom. Allows easier entry/exit to bunk. Not as good as 777.
https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/...r/ac_117-1.pdf
https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/...r/ac_117-1.pdf
It’s vastly superior to the “compliant” bunks on our current 772’s.
12-04-2022 | 04:23 AM
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My understanding from several years ago from the UAL ALPA Crew Rest Oversight Committee
CROC is that the A350 crew rest facility is illegal per 117 and most importantly our contract. DAL & DAL ALPA jointly applied for a waiver from the FAA. Our contract is far stronger for crew rest then DAL and we can prevent UAL from flying A350 unless we agree. That’s leverage! It’s a structural problem and can’t be fixed.
CROC is that the A350 crew rest facility is illegal per 117 and most importantly our contract. DAL & DAL ALPA jointly applied for a waiver from the FAA. Our contract is far stronger for crew rest then DAL and we can prevent UAL from flying A350 unless we agree. That’s leverage! It’s a structural problem and can’t be fixed.
12-04-2022 | 05:41 AM
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Kirby has said before that when it comes to the A350 that we’re either going to get 100 of them, or none at all. Unless this WB order is just a 767 replacement order, I’d suspect that the crew rest in the A350 isn’t going to be an issue. When asked about the contract with RR about the engines he mentioned that it would just be a simple write off. Boeing is trying to rebuild their reputation and order book. The deal that I suspect United could get from Boeing coupled with the savings from eliminating 2 fleet types over time would be hard for Airbus to match. My money says that the 767 and 777 fleets are going to be replaced by the 787.
12-04-2022 | 06:31 AM
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12-04-2022 | 08:44 AM
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Heard the following several years ago when we really thought the A350 was a possibility. Wrote the follow g to my reps today to verify. Anyone know if below is true?
Years ago I was told that our Crew Rest Oversight Committee (CROC) stated the A350 crew rest facility is not in compliance with FAR 117 and most importantly our contract. This supposedly is a structural issue that can’t be rectified. It’s also my understanding that DAL (the only current US operator of the A350) and the DAL MEC jointly requested a waiver from the FAA to operate the A350 with a non 117 compliant crew rest facility.
If all above is true and the company buys A350’s you have additional leverage.
Years ago I was told that our Crew Rest Oversight Committee (CROC) stated the A350 crew rest facility is not in compliance with FAR 117 and most importantly our contract. This supposedly is a structural issue that can’t be rectified. It’s also my understanding that DAL (the only current US operator of the A350) and the DAL MEC jointly requested a waiver from the FAA to operate the A350 with a non 117 compliant crew rest facility.
If all above is true and the company buys A350’s you have additional leverage.
12-04-2022 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley;[url=tel:3543155
3543155]Kirby has said before that when it comes to the A350 that we’re either going to get 100 of them, or none at all. Unless this WB order is just a 767 replacement order, I’d suspect that the crew rest in the A350 isn’t going to be an issue. When asked about the contract with RR about the engines he mentioned that it would just be a simple write off. Boeing is trying to rebuild their reputation and order book. The deal that I suspect United could get from Boeing coupled with the savings from eliminating 2 fleet types over time would be hard for Airbus to match. My money says that the 767 and 777 fleets are going to be replaced by the 787.
Closest the 787 gets to the 777 is the -10 variant and it’s only close, still doesn’t have the lift.
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