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Old 12-17-2022 | 05:00 PM
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They could swap them for E170/175s that are sitting idle without pilots.
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Old 12-17-2022 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoomie
Care to expand on wtf this thread is about?

Is there an article that is supposed to be linked?
It’s all over the news. You can google for specifics. American is cutting ties with Mesa March/April 23. Mesa CEO sent an email company wide saying all current American flying will be transitioned to UA during that same time. COO just sent an email confirming the timeline. Yes, the CEO said the “agreement was being finalized” so it’s not technically currently in stone. So what happens next is anyone’s guess unless you’ve been in the room with Kirby and Ornstein.
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Old 12-17-2022 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jerryleber
They could swap them for E170/175s that are sitting idle without pilots.
The 175 is a good product. Mesa can train their -900 pilots to fly the 175 and put a superior product back in service.
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Old 12-17-2022 | 05:11 PM
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Well the scope agreement is in place….however if United were to purchase Mesa and staple the seniority list to the bottom of the United list…now we have “ United” pilots flying 79 seater planes. My guess is either way we are looking at a purchase not just a regional contract….how that will effect the pilots at both mainline and regional side cannot be determined till more information is released….this has been in the works for at least a year.
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Old 12-17-2022 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Imabelieber
Well the scope agreement is in place….however if United were to purchase Mesa and staple the seniority list to the bottom of the United list…now we have “ United” pilots flying 79 seater planes. My guess is either way we are looking at a purchase not just a regional contract….how that will effect the pilots at both mainline and regional side cannot be determined till more information is released….this has been in the works for at least a year.
If United is the majority owner then they would have to be flown by United pilots. Don’t see that happening.
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Old 12-17-2022 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gomissedagain
It’s all over the news. You can google for specifics. American is cutting ties with Mesa March/April 23. Mesa CEO sent an email company wide saying all current American flying will be transitioned to UA during that same time. COO just sent an email confirming the timeline. Yes, the CEO said the “agreement was being finalized” so it’s not technically currently in stone. So what happens next is anyone’s guess unless you’ve been in the room with Kirby and Ornstein.
It's not a guess that their 900s will NOT be flying for United Express. Our scope has been explained and I can assure everyone that we will not be loosening it for even 1 second. The pilots may end up flying 170/175s that are already under the cap? UA owns some of the planes so maybe they could move some into Mesa?
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Old 12-17-2022 | 05:59 PM
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So are we Talking about a merger between a regional and its mainline partner? The only way for 900s to fly with United is with United pilots on the UAL seniority list.
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Old 12-17-2022 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
It's not a guess that their 900s will NOT be flying for United Express. Our scope has been explained and I can assure everyone that we will not be loosening it for even 1 second. The pilots may end up flying 170/175s that are already under the cap? UA owns some of the planes so maybe they could move some into Mesa?
Ok I hear you. But SK has been paying the Mesa pilots salaries. JO just made a huge announcement about all of Mesa flying and planes will be exclusive to UA. Do you really think JO sent that email out without SK blessing? Do you really think he’s going to bite the hand that feeds him? Do you really think that email was just to stop bleeding before a BK? I’m not just directing these questions to you but everyone in this thread. There has to be more to this unfolding situation that we don’t know. The flying has to be covered and we aren’t talking about a 12-18 month transition this is 3 months out. UA can’t afford to let Mesa go BK and lose all that lift 3 months from now.
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Old 12-17-2022 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gomissedagain
Ok I hear you. But SK has been paying the Mesa pilots salaries. JO just made a huge announcement about all of Mesa flying and planes will be exclusive to UA. Do you really think JO sent that email out without SK blessing? Do you really think he’s going to bite the hand that feeds him? Do you really think that email was just to stop bleeding before a BK? I’m not just directing these questions to you but everyone in this thread. There has to be more to this unfolding situation that we don’t know. The flying has to be covered and we aren’t talking about a 12-18 month transition this is 3 months out.
There is absolutely no way UAL is gonna “buy” Mesa and staple their pilots to our list. Doesn’t work that way. The UPA has very specific rules on such a proposal.
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Old 12-17-2022 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gomissedagain
Ok I hear you. But SK has been paying the Mesa pilots salaries. JO just made a huge announcement about all of Mesa flying and planes will be exclusive to UA. Do you really think JO sent that email out without SK blessing? Do you really think he’s going to bite the hand that feeds him? Do you really think that email was just to stop bleeding before a BK? I’m not just directing these questions to you but everyone in this thread. There has to be more to this unfolding situation that we don’t know. The flying has to be covered and we aren’t talking about a 12-18 month transition this is 3 months out. UA can’t afford to let Mesa go BK and lose all that lift 3 months from now.
UAL will let Mesa go bankrupt and pull their 175’s and give them to CommuteAir or SkyWest to operate. They will put mainline on the routes while those two regionals spool up pilots and instead of (3) 50-seaters daily departures from like ORD-DBQ, they will do one daily flight with a 737/A320 from ORD-DBQ moving the same amount of passengers with mainline Pilots.

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