Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 3602659)

Ya it’s not the “authorities” that track you down. It is company paid goons. There are literally Hundreds of Millions of dollars at stake. They will aggressively come at you, they love to take hostages. Then we get to pay for you with negotiating capital.

Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 3602761)

Exactly!

Tread extremely lightly.

Originally Posted by Cameronhoward (Post 3602456)

Not that it matters but most newish android devices automatically randomize your MAC address every time you connect to any wifi connection. That would make it nearly impossible for anyone to look at forum data and know who's android device it came from. Especially using a VPN as well.

Originally Posted by unstabilized (Post 3602933)

I feel like the same people that advocate for work actions are the same people that know nothing about the nuances of being tracked on the internet.

Originally Posted by hummingbear;[url=tel:3602525

3602525]Advocating a slowdown is a very poor idea. It’s illegal & will land you in a great deal of personal distress & accomplish nothing of substance on a large scale. What I don’t know if the company realizes, though, is that organic loss of enthusiasm is way more destructive than an intentional slowdown. An organized action can be turned off & on like a light switch. (Contract signed, everything goes back to normal immediately.) Employee morale? Once that’s gone, it’s gone.

Workplace enthusiasm is like a speed/drag power curve. Once you get on the backside of it, it becomes exponentially difficult to get it back. Scott would not be the first airline manager to lose the confidence of his pilots then lazily conclude that they’re just insatiable money grabbers when modest attempts to buy it back fail. We’ve all seen this movie before.

For the last couple years, all I’ve heard from this airline is how powerful & meaningful are personal touches from the pilots. Which, honestly, great- let’s be the customer service airline. But there’s nothing new or creative about wanting “Give A *******“ employees under DGAS conditions. Telling us for months that you’re planning to give us an industry leading contract in 2 weeks then finally making a mediocre offer & suggesting we’re not being reasonable is a major flub up. I think the “we are not close” statement was the beginning of a rapid drop in general enthusiasm, & honestly, I worry about where we end up as an airline if he hasn’t cleaned this up by the summer. A contract today would continue United’s meteoric momentum. A contract in a few months could just be a more expensive way to have p1$$ed off pilots.

Originally Posted by unstabilized;[url=tel:3602933

3602933]I feel like the same people that advocate for work actions are the same people that know nothing about the nuances of being tracked on the internet.

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3602942)

Nailed it.

Herb Kelleher understood this, take care of your employees and everything else will fall into place..

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3602912)

Yes, if you use a VPN (or even a public wifi) and randomize (or manually change) your MAC address they probably can't find you that way in this day and age. Even home internet routers swap out their IP addresses periodically, although it's possible service providers log that and it could be subject to subpoena.

But if you screw up, even once, that's all it takes so in general I would avoid online behavior which rises to a termination offense because if you annoy them and get on their radar they will come out guns blazing if they get a hint as to your actually identity.

And they don't even have to *know*, just suspect and then they have justification to ask the question... that will be awkward, are you going to lie, not knowing exactly how much they actually know?

Labor organizing speech is protected... assuming you correctly comprehend where that reservation begins and ends (not all of you do).

Threats or harassment of other employers is always a third rail, same for disclosing info the company deems or considered confidential or privileged. Unless your CBA specifically addresses freedom of speech, your company policy will apply and those tend to be pretty draconian as far as public speech/journalism/social media is concerned.

If you're going to aggressive in your SM use, better educate yourself about digital hygiene, stay up to date on that, and be VERY disciplined in practice. Good Luck.

Originally Posted by sailingfun;[url=tel:3603022

3603022[/url]]Here is the funny thing about Herb. He paid his employees well below industry wages and terrible work rules and kept them smiling. Only after Herb left did SWA get contracts near the majors and industry average.

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3602942)

I will continue to do my job to the best of my ability with the upmost professionalism until ALPA officially tells me we’re doing otherwise.

Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald;[url=tel:3603117

3603117[/url]]I'm sure you know this, but ALPA will never tell you to do otherwise. ALPA saying pretty much anything at all other than do your job, will be taken to be a job action, in the courts. You will not hear this, so don't be waiting for it.

Originally Posted by Lenticularis (Post 3603083)

Moderators, with all this talk on tracking down individuals and work action/illegal job actions. Have you suspended any perpetrators?

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3601467)

do you think that your coworkers are not currently “flying safe, flying professionally, and flying the contract?” If they are, what are you advocating? If they aren’t, how so?

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3603343)

Oh geez……trolls gonna troll I suppose.

Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 3603144)

ALPA has done this actually. At Continental in 1983, United in 1985, Eastern in 1989, Northwest in 1998, Comair in 2001. With various levels of success….

Originally Posted by Delta757 (Post 3603706)

Since the topic is already off track, I don't feel too bad adding one more off topic question that I've always wondered about, and I promise I'm not planning on doing this, I'm just curious, regarding illegal job actions:

Can the airlines go after a pilot at another ALPA carrier?
A pilot at a non ALPA carrier?
A random person?

As in someone that works at Home Depot coming on these forums advocating illegal job actions

Originally Posted by andydwyer (Post 3603827)

Back to the “close” part of this. There is a boiling at TK of PIs that have been waiting and waiting, almost all can hold captain in Denver, talk of 45 day notices has risen substantially. News needs to come soon or the more senior of the building will be leaving.

Originally Posted by andydwyer (Post 3603827)

Back to the “close” part of this. There is a boiling at TK of PIs that have been waiting and waiting, almost all can hold captain in Denver, talk of 45 day notices has risen substantially. News needs to come soon or the more senior of the building will be leaving.

Originally Posted by andydwyer (Post 3603827)

Back to the “close” part of this. There is a boiling at TK of PIs that have been waiting and waiting, almost all can hold captain in Denver, talk of 45 day notices has risen substantially. News needs to come soon or the more senior of the building will be leaving.

Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3603859)

Hi everyone, Delta’s Pilots recently ratified a new for your deal that it is unprecedented in the history of collective bargaining, profoundly changing the economics of Delta’s pilot career; and that’s not just for Delta’s pilots, that deal with determine compensation benefits, and quality of life for pilot across the rest of the industry. That means something extraordinary for American’s Pilots. That’s because our commitment, my commitment, remains unchanged; Our team members, including our pilot will be paid well, and they will be paid competitively.

Let me be clear, American is prepared to match Delta pay rates and provide American’s pilots with the same profit-sharing formula as Delta’s pilots. American pilot’s would receive pay increases of an average 21% in the first year of the new contract; Begin participation in a much richer profit sharing program and receive a bump in the companies annual contribution to your 401(k) in a second year of the deal. The total pay increase for pilots on average is 40% in the fourth year of the deal. Let me give you a few examples of what this would mean by the end of the agreement, factoring in base salary and increase 401(k) contributions from the company; a narrow body, captain at the top of the scale would make $475,000 a year or $135,000 more a year than they do today. A widebody Captain of the top of the scale order in $590,000 a year that’s $170,000 more a year than they earn today; and participation in the new profit-sharing program will increase the payout pool from 5% of pretax earnings too 10%, and up to 20% earnings about $2.5 billion.
And it’s not just about Delta pay, it’s about making sure this works for American’s Pilot. You would see significant improvements to scheduling related and quality of life items. That means improved trip construction, and more certainty when it comes to replacement flying and recovery obligation.

A deal like this would be a game changer for our pilots. It would be worth more than $7 billion in incremental compensation, benefits, and quality life improvements over the term of the four year agreement. This would allow you to join Delta’s pilots is the industries leader’s in pay, but with more quality of life improvements unique to American Airlines. It’s what you deserve and it can be negotiated and made available quickly. Like you I’m extraordinarily excited about the coming new contract and all that it means for you and American.

As we proceed down the negotiation homestretch, I plan to reach out frequently, share updates and make sure you have the company’s perspective and our unequivocal commitment to completing a new contract expeditiously. I want to assure you that there’s no question of our intent; That is we want you to be paid as well as your peers. We want you to have the quality life and benefits that matter most to you and we don’t want you to have to wait, Now lets get this deal done.

Thanks for listening and thanks for all you do every day.

~Robert Isom

Originally Posted by andydwyer (Post 3603827)

Back to the “close” part of this. There is a boiling at TK of PIs that have been waiting and waiting, almost all can hold captain in Denver, talk of 45 day notices has risen substantially. News needs to come soon or the more senior of the building will be leaving.

Originally Posted by blockplus (Post 3603925)

All the pi’s leaving would be a status quo violation and a job action. Too late… a court would make them stay now.

Originally Posted by FlewNavy (Post 3603932)

This is why some form of full retro is important...otherwise he will be getting years and years worth of labor at a discount until a deal is signed.

Originally Posted by HSLD (Post 3601216)

It is against the APC Forum Rules for forum users to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. This applies to the advocacy of ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action.

Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions.

The rules on APC have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day ban from APC for violations. Please don't sabotage your own union's efforts to secure industry leading

Originally Posted by blockplus (Post 3603925)

All the pi’s leaving would be a status quo violation and a job action. Too late… a court would make them stay now.

Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 3603993)

Can Isom not actually spell?

Also, PI’s not being allowed to upgrade to Captain as a status quo violation lol.

Originally Posted by andydwyer (Post 3603827)

Back to the “close” part of this. There is a boiling at TK of PIs that have been waiting and waiting, almost all can hold captain in Denver, talk of 45 day notices has risen substantially. News needs to come soon or the more senior of the building will be leaving.

Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3604068)

1. It’s a bit late for that now. There’s only 10 (advertised) DEN 737 CA vacancies for this, the last bid prior to the summer.
2. They’d actually have to fly and be away from home. The thought might not be so appealing when the mouse pointer is hovering over “save” on the vacancy bid screen.

Originally Posted by andydwyer (Post 3603827)

News needs to come soon or the more senior of the building will be leaving.

Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 3604213)

We are very very close

Originally Posted by jdavk (Post 3604256)

The company would probably be happy to replace the senior instructors with cheaper, more junior pilots.

Originally Posted by EwrRocks (Post 3604288)

They would be ecstatic to replace them all with way cheaper contract instructors.

Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3604068)

1. It’s a bit late for that now. There’s only 10 (advertised) DEN 737 CA vacancies for this, the last bid prior to the summer.
2. They’d actually have to fly and be away from home. The thought might not be so appealing when the mouse pointer is hovering over “save” on the vacancy bid screen.