There can always be a multi-pronged attack with regards to union leverage. The loss of UAL NH/Indoc pilots to Delta is probably where the major forces are amassed as far as pressure on management. And to think, it's not even a "tactic" that the union controls. It's management scoring an "Own goal" in the World Cup finals! OOOps!

Who wudda thunk?


Management, are you listening????

As long as you haven’t gone out & spent your retro check using a high-interest credit card, the company is going to start feeling the pain before you do.

Perfectly said 👏

Famous statement by a FA.

How long were your classes? Hmmm… if I spent another few weeks at the training center, I could have been a pilot

So buying a Cirrus with my Diner’s Club wasn’t a great idea?

https://www.facebook.com/TheFanatic2...4446195800995/

100% agree. Ironically our contract has such big holes in it, they have a fair amount of leeway when it comes to reserve.

The first time I sat reserve as a half winger was FAR better than the second time almost a decade later as NBCA. Same contract.

and same Neg Com (sad)
but thank God a different MEC

New chairman update. Doesn’t sound good, again

After the last year, they’ll be tightly measured in the way they deliver any good news. They’re no longer just managing a negotiation, they’re also managing the sour mood of a tired pilot group that has shown its taste for recalls.

Has it been two weeks yet?

/s

Two more weeks

I have been saying April 15 th as my prediction since Garth took over and I stick with that

we shall see

Two weeks Turkish.

Charlie, whats happening with those contracts?

Based on what exactly? JMHO?

Five weeks, Turkish

It was 2 weeks, 5 weeks ago!

These guys snatch.

The TA is tip-top. I’m just not sure about the color.

This address is a campsite, they’re not management are they? I ******* hate management.

This. It’s becoming obvious when Scott said it could be done in 2 weeks what he meant was the union could roll over & take whatever he was offering in 2 weeks. Getting what we want will take longer.

🤣

Filler.

All I wanna know is...



...are we getting Tumi bags this time around or what?

I'd rather the negotiations take a while than to see a turd like the first time around. Give the new NC and MEC time to work and stay patient my friends.

Keep the faith.

last time the turd was served on a platter next to the tumi. This time Scott is trying to hide the turd inside the tumi in one of those pockets that doesn’t get used much and then voila! Gotcha.

Ask?? Can ask for anything you want

Can someone post the APA/American Blastmail?! Keep, hearing this 8b and other items, but have seen Nothing from any source

How do we know this? Again, I feel like I have more bits of other airline negotiations than our own.

Negotiations Update
As we exit a third week of intensive offsite negotiations, every aspect of the APA Board of Directors’ (BOD) global framework has been placed on the table, discussed, negotiated, and costed. We believe that a comprehensive Agreement in Principle (AIP) is near. This week, we will meet with the BOD to discuss and evaluate current progress, while simultaneously continuing to negotiate for a deal that represents the pay, work rules, and quality of work life our industry commands and which you have earned.

As articulated in a video published on Friday, CEO Robert Isom is representing that your new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) will exceed $8 billion in value over the term of the contract. Although this commitment may represent a substantial increase over the incremental value of the recently ratified Delta Air Lines contract, it must be remembered that American Airlines’ pilots are negotiating from a bankruptcy-era contract that left us significantly behind Delta from the start.

In addition to a commitment to match industry-leading compensation, management has stated that they have heard us loud and clear regarding mandatory improvements in quality of life and work rules and have committed to providing the necessary resources to accomplish this goal.

The APA global framework made it clear that a comprehensive contract upgrade is the priority of our pilots – including compensation, quality of work life, clear and concise language, and the necessary programming resources to make it happen. While your Negotiating Committee continues to bargain with absolute discipline on your behalf, there is still work to be done. As we narrow the economic gap on Sick, Vacation, and Deadhead provisions, critical work-rule provisions must be addressed, primarily sections 4.C. (sequence protection) and 15 (hours of service and work rules), for which we will seek BOD guidance this week.

We acknowledge and appreciate the ongoing commitment to long hours and solutions-based negotiations that have led us to this point, and while both sides have made measurable progress toward a ratifiable agreement …

The time to finish this deal is now!

Every day that passes is a day our pilots labor under a sub-standard agreement that is problematic to both our careers and the certainty of American Airlines’ operation.

This week, we will present the BOD with a comprehensive report on the progress at the table, including a detailed economic evaluation. Once the BOD review is complete, anticipate a detailed membership update to follow.

TTS/RTT Update

As a result of intense scheduling-related negotiations, a mutual TTS Working Group has been established. This group will include (joint) top-level scheduling and IT subject-matter experts.

Starting immediately, the TTS Working Group will begin a focused improvement process for TTS. The initial goals include enhancement of the user experience, with the longer-term goal of creating harmonization with other scheduling applications.

Items on the agenda to be addressed immediately include:

Upgrades to the user interface
Transparent OTLs
Improved sequence display format
Meaningful reasons reporting
Streamlining of cumbersome drag and drop functionally
We are optimistic that this collaboration will result in a better experience for our members.

In closing, we cannot thank the pilot group enough for their unity, support, professionalism, and participation in this most critical union activity. We remain committed and focused on our collective resolve to deliver the world-class contract you have earned!

Tack on another two months for negotiations then? If APA comes to an AIP will we pause to see what happens and then start up again after they vote?

Wow, this is a hell of an update! Good luck AA, I’m pulling for you. Perhaps this will light a fire under our management’s arse…

If our mec sends out another poll after an American TA I will be brought to a new level of embarrassment for the state of our union.

Barring any substantial update from ALPA this morning…if AA drops before us. We will undoubtedly delay.

Just think of all the money the company has saved so we the pilots can self fund our eventual contract. I'm hearing anywhere from $5,000,000-7,000,000 per day. It's just business. What's the rush?

As a side note, when he has you calling him by his first name, he and that little koolaid course are winning.

Timely post.

Is that higher amount to get their contract on par with Delta’s? This are still operating on a Bankruptcy contract minus the pay rates….

I mean by that logic, we should have just signed TUMI 1 & locked in our “industry leading” 9% before we found ourselves in the current predicament of losing millions per day. Yes, there’s a monetary value of time, and there comes a point where continued delays are not worth potentially minor gains to the final product. To the extent we’re still talking about major contractual issues & shorter timelines, I don’t think we’re at that tipping point yet.

Secondly, I use Scott, Kirby, SK, & any other shorthand moniker interchangeably without a lot of consideration about the “messaging”; as I did with *gasp* Oscar, Jeff, etc. I guess somehow “Scott” is an act of obeisance where “Kirby” displays my fierce independence? (Ooh, that’ll show him!) Come on, it’s an internet forum- I’m not having the guy over for Sunday dinner. But to your point about the koolaid classes, I’d say your completely out-of-your-hat number of $5M-$7M per day is being partially offset by what’s being lost on messaging. What most of us who have been in this industry a while already know is that this job is really easy if you just stop caring- about the company, the operation; the customers. Once people figure that out, it becomes very hard to convince them that it’s worth it to care again. And once enough people figure it out, you’ve lost control of your product.

Every day this drags on, we mint another UAL pilot who isn’t buying into the corporate cheerleading campaign. (If AA beats us to the punch, that will be another massive recruitment event to the ranks of the disaffected, IMO.) Most of these will not be won back simply by finally completing a contract- they will require something more to move them from their newfound stasis.

Whether *ahem* Kirby understands it or not, whatever he’s saving on delayed negotiations isn’t as simple as just a pure net gain. As I’ve said it before, pay up now & get something for it, or pay the same amount later & get nothing.

^^^^This. I lose a few more give-a-sh!t$ every time I read a NC update reporting little to no meaningful progress. Especially when I find out SK is trying to screw us over on the COVID 5%. If he proceeds to administer what he is positioning to do, it will take many many years of overpaying to get back the goodwill lost. And I’m not alone in this sentiment.

You completely missed the point. I'm not advocating for settling but merely pointing out the money the company is saving from in their intransigence.

The company is not worried about losing the hearts and minds of the pilots during the Section 6 process. It will take A LOT more than that to lose a pilot group. But not to worry, if some pilots are lost a new CEO will step in with lots of smiles and say I'm not responsible for your past. The old guard pilots will be branded as angry and out of touch to silence them. Same as it ever was in my 32 years of flying.