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Tesla S 04-05-2023 09:20 PM

I’d be ok with leaving first year pay the same as now. No one chooses an airline based on first year pay.

sofarup 04-06-2023 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Tesla S (Post 3619644)
I’d be ok with leaving first year pay the same as now. No one chooses an airline based on first year pay.

While that last part is true, you never want to leave money on the table. If a year one pay increase is negotiated, then that's the way to go.

three1five 04-06-2023 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Tesla S (Post 3619644)
I’d be ok with leaving first year pay the same as now. No one chooses an airline based on first year pay.

You ought to go to a grocery store today on first year pay.

First year pay unfortunately isn’t subject to the same 30% inflation increase as groceries.

I know it’s better than a lot of people currently have or have lived thru in the past, but it’s still worth improving.

RaginCajun 04-06-2023 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3618871)
Work rules are always phased in to allow them time to get proper staffing levels in place. A deal in the next couple of months wouldn’t have a negative impact on the summer schedule. The rates are immediate and that combined with simply being done with negotiations would only help cover the summer schedule. The ball is in their court.

The vibe from the TH today basically said they need to be able to fly the full schedule and remain "competitive". His words. Slow rolling the AIP is exactly what they are doing. May/June AIP= August/Sept/even Oct memrat. Tactical for sure..and just in time for school to start and the departures begin cooling until the holidays. AAL will take the lead this summer.

Mitch Rapp 04-06-2023 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3620187)
The vibe from the TH today basically said they need to be able to fly the full schedule and remain "competitive". His words. Slow rolling the AIP is exactly what they are doing. May/June AIP= August/Sept/even Oct memrat. Tactical for sure..and just in time for school to start and the departures begin cooling until the holidays. AAL will take the lead this summer.

TH? Are we talking United or American? WHO is TH? Thanks.

dmeg13021 04-06-2023 08:29 PM

Town hall….

hummingbear 04-07-2023 03:25 AM


Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3620187)
The vibe from the TH today basically said they need to be able to fly the full schedule and remain "competitive". His words. Slow rolling the AIP is exactly what they are doing. May/June AIP= August/Sept/even Oct memrat. Tactical for sure..and just in time for school to start and the departures begin cooling until the holidays. AAL will take the lead this summer.

Bad move if so. A great contract w/ long implementation timeline would pass easily & salvage some goodwill. Delays just increase labor/management tension. A summer schedule flown by disgruntled pilots may not necessarily be the cost-saving solution some would hope.

Spesiellsporing 04-07-2023 04:02 AM

Just imagine the signal sent if those town halls were empty.

serce 04-07-2023 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3620252)
Bad move if so. A great contract w/ long implementation timeline would pass easily & salvage some goodwill. Delays just increase labor/management tension. A summer schedule flown by disgruntled pilots may not necessarily be the cost-saving solution some would hope.

The problem is that people are still going above and beyond their duties. Captains handing out drinks in Polaris, single engine taxi, stand up PA's. Scott Kirby said that pilots are happy under the current contract.

sleeves 04-07-2023 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 3618447)
A bunch of years ago I was in Tampa on a layover when my neighbor called to say my wife was really sick and they were taking her to the hospital and would watch my kids. I immediately called the FODM, and the fastest way for me to get home was to operate the next leg to EWR and they would PS me from there. I said that was fine, I can compartmentalize it for the flight.

We took off out of TPA and passing though 10k’ we we’re cleared direct KEWR. From FL!!!! I can only imagine that someone in the NOSC was told something and worked a drug deal with the FAA/ATC to get us there as fast as possible. It was the middle of the morning too, in the summer. Try getting direct to anywhere up and down the east coast on a clear summer day!

As we pulled into the gate a CSR met us, grabbed me and took me down to one of those Mercedes we used to have for the big customers. They drove me across the ramp to the flight that was being held so I could catch an earlier one. Took me up to the jet bridge and put me in a FC seat. Total time from phone call to me getting home was like 9 hours.

As much as we bicker, when the feces it’s the circular air manipulator this company is top notch in taking care of their own and I’ll never forget that.

I’m glad to hear that! It doesn’t always work that way but I’m glad it did for you. I hope your wife was ok.


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