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TFAYD 04-07-2023 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3620614)
The 1000 reserve start time is as impressive as the squeege my dog made in the yard this morning.

ALPA really needs to phrase that differently. In a way they need to make sure people understand that it isn’t changing but positioning it as an “accomplishment” is asinine.

RaginCajun 04-08-2023 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3620585)
[size=12pt]Yes, some; & yes, for now. Because it’s illegal to organize any such “drawdown”, it doesn’t turn off like a light switch. But it’s obtuse to assume that what’s happening today is necessarily what will be happening tomorrow, in a week; 2 months from now.[/size]Every time BQ’s claims of wanting a “truly industry leading contract” are offset by an itemized communication from the union of all the industry average policies the company is refusing; every time SK claims DAL is the new standard & doesn’t follow through, the enthusiasm level drops. On their own timelines & in their own way, 15,000 people care a little less; so they do a little less. It takes time, but the longer it goes on, the worse it gets.

Up until TUMI 1, this company was selling a lot of pilots on doing extras. It was catching on. That was a narrow window of opportunity where a great contract would have made them rockstars. Imagine if we had gotten DAL’s contract before DAL did. Guys would have been over the moon. The whole “taking pride in the brand” movement would have exploded overnight.

The irony is, today, that same contract would move the needle far less. By the summer, maybe not at all. The longer they drag this on, they’ll just end up spending the same money for a rapidly diminishing reward. Whether they believe it or not, they are losing to the clock.

This is spot on. I guess our only saving grace now is that a contract is inevitable…it just won’t come with the pride and frills the company could have had last year. Timing is everything.

three1five 04-08-2023 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3620516)
This is why we can't have nice things. Wake the you know what up.

Awake, and listening.

dailyops 04-08-2023 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3620686)
ALPA really needs to phrase that differently. In a way they need to make sure people understand that it isn’t changing but positioning it as an “accomplishment” is asinine.

You would think a later start time would be the first and easiest thing to accomplish, especially if they want junior commuters to take the upgrade.

It will be even more asinine when AA gets a 1400-1800 day 1 start time as seemingly every other airline has gotten recently.

Finessed 04-08-2023 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3620585)

Up until TUMI 1, this company was selling a lot of pilots on doing extras. It was catching on. That was a narrow window of opportunity where a great contract would have made them rockstars. Imagine if we had gotten DAL’s contract before DAL did. Guys would have been over the moon. The whole “taking pride in the brand” movement would have exploded overnight.

That just proves most of the United pilot group are total suckers. Management would have been “rockstars”?? Are you ****ing kidding me!! Sadly you’re probably correct, but you are the weakest unionized work group in the industry. You boys are way to proud to know your worth. It’s just embarrassing.

Nobody is parading around at Delta with managements offer. We were owed that contract. I truly have no hope for your sorry pilot group. You’ll match our rates, they’ll throw you a few QoL scraps that won’t hurt their bottom line, and that will be that.

The end.

ReadOnly7 04-08-2023 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3620951)
That just proves most of the United pilot group are total suckers. Management would have been “rockstars”?? Are you ****ing kidding me!! Sadly you’re probably correct, but you are the weakest unionized work group in the industry. You boys are way to proud to know your worth. It’s just embarrassing.

Nobody is parading around at Delta with managements offer. We were owed that contract. I truly have no hope for your sorry pilot group. You’ll match our rates, they’ll throw you a few QoL scraps that won’t hurt their bottom line, and that will be that.

The end.

and THEN you’ll go away? Because I’ll vote for that.

Sniper66 04-08-2023 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3620951)
That just proves most of the United pilot group are total suckers. Management would have been “rockstars”?? Are you ****ing kidding me!! Sadly you’re probably correct, but you are the weakest unionized work group in the industry. You boys are way to proud to know your worth. It’s just embarrassing.

Nobody is parading around at Delta with managements offer. We were owed that contract. I truly have no hope for your sorry pilot group. You’ll match our rates, they’ll throw you a few QoL scraps that won’t hurt their bottom line, and that will be that.

The end.



sounds that you got turned down by United and a bit bitter about it.
Thanks recruiting team !!!
next time before you type , dip your tongue into your brain , wait 12 seconds and then type or talk ….
trust me it will help you or keep acting like an id—-

Aquaticus 04-08-2023 08:13 AM

It has been 0 days since a delta guy with a big head bloviated on our forum.

AxlF16 04-08-2023 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Aquaticus (Post 3620964)
It has been 0 days since a delta guy with a big head bloviated on our forum.

Isn't there an award or badge for insecure clowns like Finessed?

Guppydriver95 04-08-2023 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3618458)
Anything you guys are impressed with?

How easily Kirby and the labor relations crew can use the tactics from “Confessions of a union buster” so effectively on such a large swath of our pilots.


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