post of the year!

 

They also say CHINA on them. Way to support American labor.

 

Lol. Tell me this is your first contract without telling me that it’s your first contract.

(Either I’ve misunderstood your statement or you have no experience with the NMB.)

 

Delta has a bereavement clause that allows pilots to drop up to 4 days reserve or up to a 4 day trip WITH pay. Does United have a similar policy of drop and pay protection?. I used it 5/6 times over 30 years.

 

You get 4 days per person. So, wife gets sick...4 days. Son has surgery, 4 different days. Son gets sick again....no days left for him. Parent dies....4 other days.

 

And the pay portion of the question? I'll have to check but we have a different type of sick leave....I don't think the pay comes out of our sick hours, it's on top of the yearly hours.

Is yours pay or no pay and does it come out or sick leave if paid or is it an add like Delta?

 

Yes. 4 with pay.

 

It’s not sick pay related. They also give you and your family PS anywhere for that event.

 

Wow, to make sure I'm not conflating two answers, they will give you that 4 days for death, and sick days per person in your family, year after year and it doesn't come out of your sick time bank?

Can you clarify who exactly is covered as far as family/extended family with such a generous policy if it is indeed as I (maybe incorrectly ) inferred?

 

This is a very misunderstood part of the contract. You get four days for a ”critical illness” (surgery, injury, cancer diagnosis, etc), and four additional days for a death. However, if the person has already died, you only have four days.

An example would be: (god forbid) your dad gets hurt in a motorcycle accident. you call the chief pilot office and say you need four days off to be with your critically ill father and you need positive space for yourself and wife/kids, while however, enroute your dad passes away. You are now entitled to four more days. It is true that you only get essentially eight total days for the specific family members listed in the UPA, and that you have to be intelligent. But they are paid, and the CPO will throw their full weight behind you. One caveat is that once a person has died, you only get four days. The contract reads it is four days per event. The company/Labor relations views a critical illness and death as two separate events. Ask me how I know.

This is one of those black-and-white sections of the contract where most human beings are very glad to offer support, because it helps another pilot, generates goodwill, and costs them nothing.