Potential benefits to increase QOL for us
04-04-2023 | 06:31 PM
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Yeah, the ideas I have here, I thought maybe listening to others in a public forum to "Fine tune" the ideas or find the flaws or find out really if these ideas are unprecedented or maybe they exist at another carrier.
You can see the big trend in my ideas is to give the senior guys (most of the time the guys that have adult kids or more flexible schedules since their kids might not be in school anymore) the ability to be more efficient with their flying if they would be willing to fly on the weekends.
Maybe they wouldn't, but it would surely move the line right now from 50-60% to get 1 weekend off to maybe you start getting a weekend or two off at 70% and those that want the extra $$ and soft time, it makes them happy too. Then they can get higher than average line (maybe worth more than 90 hrs pay) but still fall within the credit range without complicating that.
Also, cause people to want to pick up and trade into weekend trips for a small premium.
Ideas 2&3 are to give some flexibility to Junior bidders without a huge change that would take 2-3 years to implement.
If these or any ideas gain traction, then the PDR would work great, but I hate to go thru an idea as 1/15,000 pilots and people think I'm out to lunch without vetting the idea first.
I'd love to hear other ideas or scheduling practices from your previous airlines that were much better than UAL.
You can see the big trend in my ideas is to give the senior guys (most of the time the guys that have adult kids or more flexible schedules since their kids might not be in school anymore) the ability to be more efficient with their flying if they would be willing to fly on the weekends.
Maybe they wouldn't, but it would surely move the line right now from 50-60% to get 1 weekend off to maybe you start getting a weekend or two off at 70% and those that want the extra $$ and soft time, it makes them happy too. Then they can get higher than average line (maybe worth more than 90 hrs pay) but still fall within the credit range without complicating that.
Also, cause people to want to pick up and trade into weekend trips for a small premium.
Ideas 2&3 are to give some flexibility to Junior bidders without a huge change that would take 2-3 years to implement.
If these or any ideas gain traction, then the PDR would work great, but I hate to go thru an idea as 1/15,000 pilots and people think I'm out to lunch without vetting the idea first.
I'd love to hear other ideas or scheduling practices from your previous airlines that were much better than UAL.
This is good stuff and worth the brainstorming while we wait. Maybe it can help with whatever impasses we have. 🤷♂️Either way thanks for sharing your outside the box ideas.
04-04-2023 | 08:14 PM
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This is purely anecdotal but the people I’ve known who flew for carriers with vacation pay all said it worked great. Enough senior takers who didn’t have holiday plans were willing to make extra bank that junior guys had an easy time getting holidays off. Personally I like the idea a lot because though it’s a little thing, for those to whom it matters it matters a lot. I’ve known plenty of guys who delayed upgrade specifically because they weren’t willing to miss Xmas & T-giving with their kids for years on end. For family guys, the ability to get holidays off consistently would be a HUGE QOL boost, IMO.
04-05-2023 | 03:25 AM
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I mean, everything we want “drives up costs”. The reason management (already has) agreed to it I can only speculate, but I’d say it’s becoming industry standard- even at LCCs- & that just makes it an easier sell. (Paying people to work extra on holidays is not that outlandish an idea- if you really think about it, it’s kind of crazy we don’t have it.) If a new guy with kids can come here & potentially miss holidays with his family for the next five years or go to Delta & have a good chance of being home every Xmas, that’s gonna weigh into his decision. Like I said, for those it matters, it matters a lot.
04-05-2023 | 07:02 AM
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Section 3 - Compensation
In addition to the economic items listed above, the following are items already agreed upon or currently being negotiated.
Agreed:
- Holiday pay
- Short training pay and credit increase
- Increase in distance learning pay
- Increase in International Override
- Critical coverage override of 25%
04-05-2023 | 04:58 PM
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Zoomie,
Nice ideas but way too late for any of this. We are hashing out the Open items on the TA now so your ship has passed and it's a waste of time now. Anything new getting introduced like the company wanting one-way comm is going to not get any traction period.
Nice ideas but way too late for any of this. We are hashing out the Open items on the TA now so your ship has passed and it's a waste of time now. Anything new getting introduced like the company wanting one-way comm is going to not get any traction period.
04-06-2023 | 05:42 AM
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Don't think holiday pay is as expensive as you'd think (when considering costs to cover trips that otherwise people sick-out or don't pick up for straight time) and it has to surely make the schedulers lives easier.
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