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Old 04-10-2023 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
You gonna burn 4000 numbers over this? I won't. Well get a contract. This is just the process..
sure - we will get “a” contract. We can have Tumi 2. It is pretty clear that pilot “goodwill” is not a concern to management.
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Old 04-10-2023 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD
sure - we will get “a” contract. We can have Tumi 2. It is pretty clear that pilot “goodwill” is not a concern to management.
Contracts come and go. We might get Delta + or maybe everyone will be subject to concessionary contracts in 2 years when Michael Burry's doomsday comes. I don't have to explain what a crapshoot this industry is on this board. But the fact is that you can't get those numbers back once they're gone.

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Old 04-11-2023 | 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
Contracts come and go. We might get Delta + or maybe everyone will be subject to concessionary contracts in 2 years when Michael Burry's doomsday comes. I don't have to explain what a crapshoot this industry is on this board. But the fact is that you can't get those numbers back once they're gone.
Therein lies the worst part of this industry. Doctors (or any number of other professions) get experience and switch jobs/locations because they get paid more. We get years of experience and get to start over at the bottom.

So what’s the cutoff for giving up seniority numbers, vs living in base, vs age…..it’s all some big formula we have to figure out at a personal level.

A National ALPA contract and seniority list would be one interesting experiment. (Could you imaging the fighting between the for/against crowd?)
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Old 04-11-2023 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
Therein lies the worst part of this industry. Doctors (or any number of other professions) get experience and switch jobs/locations because they get paid more. We get years of experience and get to start over at the bottom.

So what’s the cutoff for giving up seniority numbers, vs living in base, vs age…..it’s all some big formula we have to figure out at a personal level.

A National ALPA contract and seniority list would be one interesting experiment. (Could you imaging the fighting between the for/against crowd?)
This x 1,000,000!
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Old 04-11-2023 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by PipeMan
Damn coming up on 2 years on property and I am strongly considering going for Delta...again. And I live much closer to UAL base than Delta base. Anyone feeling like a loser?
You’re always most likely to get the contract that you want by going to the carrier that has it. I’ve got a bunch of buddies at Delta. They’re all happy there and a bunch bid Captain ASAP and got it at the 7-8 month mark. There’s not the level of dread that you get talking to UAL pilots about upgrading while junior. They’ve got excellent work rules at Delta which really increase their earnings potential and quality of life.
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Old 04-11-2023 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
You gonna burn 4000 numbers over this? I won't. Well get a contract. This is just the process..

You are a little smarter. Play the long game.
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Old 04-11-2023 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by flynd94
You are a little smarter. Play the long game.

Yup....

Instant gratification vs delayed gratification...
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Old 04-11-2023 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
You gonna burn 4000 numbers over this? I won't. Well get a contract. This is just the process..
Whatever contract we'll get, it's not going to be as good as Delta's. We have been trailing Delta for 20 years now.
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Old 04-11-2023 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
You gonna burn 4000 numbers over this? I won't. Well get a contract. This is just the process..
For a better quality of life? Especially as a commuter… absolutely… what’s the point of going to work miserable?

If I was going to be a commuter to both airlines, had less than 5 years on property and more than 10 years to go until I retired, I’d be gone to Delta based on the last NC update. You can make up for any lost wages by taking the upgrade at DAL at 400hrs and being junior in the left seat of a NB or right seat of a WB doesn’t suck nearly as much with 18hr long call no rolled days off and single flight requirements for commuting.
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Old 04-11-2023 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
For a better quality of life? Especially as a commuter… absolutely… what’s the point of going to work miserable?

If I was going to be a commuter to both airlines, had less than 5 years on property and more than 10 years to go until I retired, I’d be gone to Delta based on the last NC update. You can make up for any lost wages by taking the upgrade at DAL at 400hrs and being junior in the left seat of a NB or right seat of a WB doesn’t suck nearly as much with 18hr long call no rolled days off and single flight requirements for commuting.
Very well put. I keep hearing that "we have more widebodies". As if that makes up for a inferior contract.
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