More work/less pay at UA vs SWA?
05-26-2023 | 07:40 AM
#21
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From: Part 121
Several things to keep in mind:
1. United is in the contract silly season and you'll hear lots of crazy from all sides.
2. This is APC. It’s for entertainment, and not necessarily grounded in reality on the line.
3. We will get a contract that is on par with or just slightly more costly than American and Delta.
4. APC will go on for endless pages saying that it isn’t enough.
At the end of the day, United will provide a great career, as will other airlines. Contract cycles, management teams, and expansion/contraction cycles come and go. Just pick a lane and enjoy the ride.
1. United is in the contract silly season and you'll hear lots of crazy from all sides.
2. This is APC. It’s for entertainment, and not necessarily grounded in reality on the line.
3. We will get a contract that is on par with or just slightly more costly than American and Delta.
4. APC will go on for endless pages saying that it isn’t enough.
At the end of the day, United will provide a great career, as will other airlines. Contract cycles, management teams, and expansion/contraction cycles come and go. Just pick a lane and enjoy the ride.
05-26-2023 | 08:16 AM
#22
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I have one friend in UA on narrow body, they make less than us at SWA and have less days off. Can you credit 110/120 a month and aim for reasonable block hours? For example I ve flown 55 hours this months and credited 81 as of today @SWA, I can still pick up until the end of the month and make more. That s after 7 months here.
I got a CJO with UA, trying to figure out if the move is worth. UA QOL on narrow body and money does not look better than SWA from what I have read on UA CBA.
I got a CJO with UA, trying to figure out if the move is worth. UA QOL on narrow body and money does not look better than SWA from what I have read on UA CBA.
05-26-2023 | 08:51 AM
#23
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Yes, at the moment it does as do all NB CA positions in all bases. That could change tomorrow, though. For years, it was senior, relative to coastal bases, but with the hiring bender we’ve been on for two years anything that was typical has changed substantially.
05-26-2023 | 09:55 AM
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These are just some utterly disheartening things to read with a class date and my current employer already informed. APC gives the impression that United is bottom of the barrel amongst all majors; no idea whether that's reality but it's certainly the picture being painted on this site. First fork in the road I've come to in my career where I'm unsure I'm making the right choice.
My advice, pick the airline that checks your QOL boxes… If you live in a United base, it’s a no brained. Same goes for a Southwest base. If you live in both bases, then you need to decide which airline fits what you want to do. United offers variety of different types of flying that you will not have with Southwest. Southwest has more efficient flying.
At the end of the day, both are great opportunities.
05-26-2023 | 10:11 AM
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Look man look. We are in contract negotiations. Negativity will always come out during contact negotiations. This goes for every airline out there. So try not to read too much into it. There good things and there are bad things.
My advice, pick the airline that checks your QOL boxes… If you live in a United base, it’s a no brained. Same goes for a Southwest base. If you live in both bases, then you need to decide which airline fits what you want to do. United offers variety of different types of flying that you will not have with Southwest. Southwest has more efficient flying.
At the end of the day, both are great opportunities.
My advice, pick the airline that checks your QOL boxes… If you live in a United base, it’s a no brained. Same goes for a Southwest base. If you live in both bases, then you need to decide which airline fits what you want to do. United offers variety of different types of flying that you will not have with Southwest. Southwest has more efficient flying.
At the end of the day, both are great opportunities.
Another point of perspective. As much as the QOL might be worse at United than SWA, it's still much better than it was 10-20 years ago following 9/11.
Both companies are great companies to work for. You will work harder and get more days off all things being equal at SWA.
You will get less days off and work more days for the same $$ at United, but layovers will most likely be more favorable at UAL.
If you get senior enough to bid a WB schedule, those are really nice in that you will have the productivity of a LCC airline, but actually only have to fly 3-4 trips a month. Caveat: there is no guarantee you ever will be able to hold a WB CA schedule that will have the QOL you need nor ever guarantee you are able to even bid WB CA. However, UAL is probably the best option for that opportunity at this point in time, apart from cargo operations like Atlas.
05-26-2023 | 12:30 PM
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I won't tell you what to do, but QOL at UAL will not be comparable until you get to 50% or better at UAL(that's FO seniority in a certain base/category). You probably won't see better QOL than at SWA newhire till you are the top 20-30%.
That's how inefficient and poor our scheduling practices are here. Which also means we have such a high hurdle to leap over, we most likely won't see a contract for a long time.
That's how inefficient and poor our scheduling practices are here. Which also means we have such a high hurdle to leap over, we most likely won't see a contract for a long time.
If you're the type that believes the grass is greener on the other side of the fence you're going to be excited when you have an ILC for a few months, then be super miserable for the next 4 years when brand X outbids you. Picking a company based off of one contract or one CEO when you're going to see half a dozen of each doesn't seem the best strategy IMO, but your viewpoint may be different.
05-26-2023 | 08:20 PM
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United. Still in first year. Worked 12 days this month. Credited over 120 hrs. Cool, just wish it weren’t on 1st year pay.
it’s a polarizing place. It has great flying and future opportunities. It has a scheduling system that is Machiavellian in its brutality. (Work rules)
Every place will have something you like or don’t like.
it’s a polarizing place. It has great flying and future opportunities. It has a scheduling system that is Machiavellian in its brutality. (Work rules)
Every place will have something you like or don’t like.
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05-26-2023 | 09:20 PM
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United. Still in first year. Worked 12 days this month. Credited over 120 hrs. Cool, just wish it weren’t on 1st year pay.
it’s a polarizing place. It has great flying and future opportunities. It has a scheduling system that is Machiavellian in its brutality. (Work rules)
Every place will have something you like or don’t like.
it’s a polarizing place. It has great flying and future opportunities. It has a scheduling system that is Machiavellian in its brutality. (Work rules)
Every place will have something you like or don’t like.
Or live in EWR or SFO and the same deal, trips bought by training?
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