More work/less pay at UA vs SWA?
#51
I would choose United if you live in Denver and it’s not even close.
- Quick seniority progression on the NB (Southwest also offers this) [I'm gonna call BS here. it's not at all quick progression at SWA DEN compared to UAL]
- Option of 757 flying out Denver (Southwest doesn’t have)
- Eventual option of 787 flying down the road (Southwest doesn’t have)
-Upgrade to NB Captain in base (Southwest offers this as well) [except not in 1-3 years, it's in 8+ years in denver, again not comparable]
- Option to work the training center to get more nights/days at home (Southwest doesn’t offer this in Denver)
Thos are the facts.
- Quick seniority progression on the NB (Southwest also offers this) [I'm gonna call BS here. it's not at all quick progression at SWA DEN compared to UAL]
- Option of 757 flying out Denver (Southwest doesn’t have)
- Eventual option of 787 flying down the road (Southwest doesn’t have)
-Upgrade to NB Captain in base (Southwest offers this as well) [except not in 1-3 years, it's in 8+ years in denver, again not comparable]
- Option to work the training center to get more nights/days at home (Southwest doesn’t offer this in Denver)
Thos are the facts.
some adjustments
#52
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I stay at about 17-18 days off on the 737. Next month I actually had 19 off originally but picked up a good day turn. This one is 18. 18 in April. 13 off month after month is pretty terrible. I've never seen that here. The lack of an ability to drop and swap is only half true. It is difficult to straight drop. I can swap quite a bit, especially for bad/worse days. I've only straight dropped a trip once. A few other times another pilot took it off my schedule.
im in similar situation. I currently got class date at United and currently in southwest less than 6 month here.
im hesitant to make the move still although I got that far in the process with UA hiring process.
my priority is days off basically QOL. Please share your thoughts l
anyone made the move from SW to UA and regretted here? And why?
#53
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Joined: Aug 2017
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From: EWR 737 FO
That being said, days off isn't exactly linked to seniority. You could be 30% but gave PBS so many avoid commands that it choked on your bid and gave you 13 days off and 85 hours of work. You can also be 60% but made things easy on the computer with just a "I don't want to work" command and you get 17 days off with 75 hours.
#54
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That’s pretty good! Do you mind sharing what is your domicile and how long did it take you to get that good sked?
im in similar situation. I currently got class date at United and currently in southwest less than 6 month here.
im hesitant to make the move still although I got that far in the process with UA hiring process.
my priority is days off basically QOL. Please share your thoughts l
anyone made the move from SW to UA and regretted here? And why?
im in similar situation. I currently got class date at United and currently in southwest less than 6 month here.
im hesitant to make the move still although I got that far in the process with UA hiring process.
my priority is days off basically QOL. Please share your thoughts l
anyone made the move from SW to UA and regretted here? And why?
For a 737 perspective, I’m about 40% and average 15 days off per month. I could do better than that if I wanted, but I put some pretty steep limitations into PBS for commuting, no red eyes, and avoid trips with more than 3 legs per day. My trips aren’t great (20-21 hr 4 days), but they’re commutable on both ends and easy. Seniority is the key. Senior pilots have lots of options and can bid accordingly, junior pilots take what is left. That usually means higher time lines and fewer days off. The good news is that if this hiring continues, people will move up quickly and can then decided if they want to trade high relative seniority in their current seat to bid other equipment or upgrade. On the other hand, if the music stops, being stuck with low seniority with our current contract wouldn’t be much fun.
#55
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Joined: Jul 2022
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From: Corporate Captain
These are just some utterly disheartening things to read with a class date and my current employer already informed. APC gives the impression that United is bottom of the barrel amongst all majors; no idea whether that's reality but it's certainly the picture being painted on this site. First fork in the road I've come to in my career where I'm unsure I'm making the right choice.
Good luck with your decision.
#56
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I'm in the same, or at least similar boat. Pushed my class date back to October due to family issues (new baby). Current employer is great and understanding, and has made a significant offer that is hard to walk away from. pt91, great equipment, 6-10 days flying per month, and weekends off. Fortune 150 company. I've dreamed of flying for United for my entire adult life, and now that I have the opportunity, I'm not sure it's the best choice anymore. Now if I lived in base, that would be different.
Good luck with your decision.
Good luck with your decision.
#57
I'm in the same, or at least similar boat. Pushed my class date back to October due to family issues (new baby). Current employer is great and understanding, and has made a significant offer that is hard to walk away from. pt91, great equipment, 6-10 days flying per month, and weekends off. Fortune 150 company. I've dreamed of flying for United for my entire adult life, and now that I have the opportunity, I'm not sure it's the best choice anymore. Now if I lived in base, that would be different.
Good luck with your decision.
Good luck with your decision.
it’s a great company….not having a contract is extremely temporary.
yes our reserve blows…..better if you live in base other than that? It’s all good typical contract BS
#58
I'm in the same, or at least similar boat. Pushed my class date back to October due to family issues (new baby). Current employer is great and understanding, and has made a significant offer that is hard to walk away from. pt91, great equipment, 6-10 days flying per month, and weekends off. Fortune 150 company. I've dreamed of flying for United for my entire adult life, and now that I have the opportunity, I'm not sure it's the best choice anymore. Now if I lived in base, that would be different.
Good luck with your decision.
Good luck with your decision.
I was part 91 with a good gig. It just could not compete in the long game.
#59
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Joined: Jul 2022
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From: Corporate Captain
Standard corporate America 401k match... i give 6% they match 4% or something like that. On top of base pay, there is a 20-30% annual bonus. But no guarantee that it comes every year. That being said, I've gotten in every year except one, which was a terrible year economically speaking.
New contract and improvements really make a compelling case to go. I have one more shot. I am likely taking it.
#60
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Posted on the SWA forum:
Would like to get some perspective on the above statement. Would also like to get an idea if the above is entirely true, is it better on other fleets?
As a SWA guy, I constantly hear how SWA is, despite our flaws, superior to the OAL's like UA. If so many guys are saying it, there has to be some truth to it, right?
Also, I understand there are a lot of caveats, but in a general sense, how much time is it taking these days to upgrade to NB and then, WB captain? Are many guys hanging out for a while as NB/WB FO?
Finally, are you guys in mediation yet? If not, why not?
Would like to get some perspective on the above statement. Would also like to get an idea if the above is entirely true, is it better on other fleets?
As a SWA guy, I constantly hear how SWA is, despite our flaws, superior to the OAL's like UA. If so many guys are saying it, there has to be some truth to it, right?
Also, I understand there are a lot of caveats, but in a general sense, how much time is it taking these days to upgrade to NB and then, WB captain? Are many guys hanging out for a while as NB/WB FO?
Finally, are you guys in mediation yet? If not, why not?
New NB captain here at 90% in base.
I am able to waive rights, get a line, and am awarded high 80's credit with 15 days off.
I am not really able to drop anything, but able to trade out of the crappy trips awarded in to decent trips.
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